Thank you brother, it's just very disheartening to me that every single time there is a shooting everyone seems to think it's the guns fault, when someone drinks & drives then hits & kills someone, is it the cars fault? I think NOT!!!! So again I will say that people should be held accountable for their actions, but we also need better laws that will keep them locked up & not back out on the streets!!!
That would be an excellent start, passing sensible background checks would only help a little, adding your plan would help as well.....all this is needed to chip away at the problem.
I'm not familiar with that establishment or analogy, whichever the case may be.
Localized gun laws are pointless, all one need do is take a short drive and get all the guns they want, I agree with you though, criminals don't obey laws, which is why more than silly band aid laws are needed.
mauikine, amen to that brother, I couldn't agree more, it seems like people get more time for stealing money or for getting busted for drugs than they do for shooting someone to death these days, maybe we should blame the perpetrator and not the gun.
I would like to just pop in real quick & just say that with all the craziness going on we should NOT have more gun laws but instead have the strictest penalties for anyone who uses a gun to do something wrong! It should be an automatic life sentence with no parole EVER! That way people will think about what they are going to do before picking up a gun & doing something stupid! People get shot all the time & the person who does the shooting gets a slap on the wrist!!! That's the real crime to me!!
The strictest gun laws in the nation are in the afore mentioned cities, apparently criminals don't obey the laws, what I do find peculiar is the fact that in the larger cities with the least stringent gun laws there is far less gun crimes.
A gun is hardly a source of power in my world, intelligence wields far more power, guns are a compensation tool.
I'm not at all advocating a ban, just a better way forward than the one that is a proven failure, I hope that solution and balance can be found and implemented.
PS Are you still hanging out over at the Coconut Inn?
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for either good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it."
If that's the mindset you want to adopt then more power to you, conservatives are no strangers to being on the wrong side of issues, it seems to be a regular source of amusement for the majority, I know it is often funny, but pathetic as well.
You aptly prove your own analogy that some of us are not evolved, fortunately that is not a majority trait.
You can lead a liberal to logic but you cant make them think, I believe you missed what I was implying about Cain and Abel, besides if we're no more than highly evolved apes what difference does it make if we kill each other, survival of the fittest right?
Now you are relying on mythology....not a stretch from where you already were, but I'll worry about that when we start having a problem with mass killings using rocks, knives, or whatever other instrument you want to choose, of those only the gun was specifically designed to kill.
Cain slew Abel with a rock.
Of course the stats would be different if you take out the most populated and high crime rate cities, and other countries that are undeniably civilized nations do not have the frequent mass shootings we do, no matter how much you divert the facts it is beyond undeniable that a problem exists, I fully realize the problem is multi faceted, there are other factors like mental health issues involved, and that needs to be addressed at the point of purchase as well, there is no one solution, but the status quo is not an acceptable option either, it is a certainty that changes are forthcoming.
England huh? Good example, there are approx. 56 million people in England and Wales, they average in the high hundreds, sometimes even hitting the thousand mark in murder every year (many by firearm), so with the US having a pop. around 330 million we're about right on par with them, interesting fact though, if you took out Detroit, Chicago, DC and New Orleans we wouldn't even be in the top 200 of countries in per capita of homicide by firearms.
Man, here on maui there's alot of protesting. Some good. But alot of protesting .......
Maybe I should dust off my Crayola and cardboard boxes.
No, more like civilized places in the world, like Australia, England, Japan, Ireland,......I could go on and on.......you seem intent on using discredited talking points and fear to make your point, the examples you choose have no connection to the reality in our country, the misinformation you hold as truth is no surprise at all, fortunately the majority of people do not suffer from the same mindset.
Yeah, we should be more like the Middle East or perhaps Mexico, that way the mass graves wouldn't make the 6 o'clock news, I guess beheadings don't count as shootings though and if you cant find the bodies did anyone really die?
I guess you have no problem with frequent mass shootings, and the fact that more people are killed by guns in our country than anywhere else on earth, more than all deaths in every war since the revolution, I'm always up for an intelligent discussion on an issue, but gun nuts have a very narrow view and a perverse notion of their gun rights, your panty analogy indicates you are not likely to be capable of critical thinking or having adult conversations, so I will leave it alone and wish you well, we can agree we disagree and move on, I am confident common sense change will take time to make a difference and will not effect law abiding gun owners in the least....as it should be.....no one is taking their guns away.
Nothing convoluted about the facts I presented, grow up man and put your big girl panties on, its a big world out there.
That is a convoluted interpretation at best, but it does point to one of the problems, the second amendment was meant to apply to the militia, not every bonehead that wants a gun to compensate for other shortcomings.....
Changes are coming to be sure.
The difference is one is a right and the other is a privilege.
Hope Pacific Whale Foundation does not hit any whales this year...
To drive a car you need to take a test to make sure you are proficient enough to have a license, register the car and have liability insurance, and you are monitored by roving law enforcement......but to have a gun all you need to do is buy it.......this is a screwed up system.