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LETTER: Expert’s Line-by-Line Rebuttal of GMO Moratorium

Editor’s note: This rebuttal was delivered to Maui Now by Monsanto.

Photo courtesy Monsanto Hawaii.

Photo courtesy Monsanto Hawaii.

By Harold H. Keyser, PhD

On Feb. 21, 2014, a bill “Placing a Moratorium on the Cultivation of Genetically Engineered Organisms” bill was filed with the Office of the Maui County Clerk. The justification for the bill is in the “Findings” section.

Harold H. Keyser, PhD (soil microbiologist and Maui County administrator, retired, College of Tropical Agriculture and Human Resources, University of Hawaii Manoa) reviewed the section and prepared the attached document in response to each of the 22 “findings” listed in the proposed bill. The text of Dr. Keyser’s response is also listed below.

Dr. Keyser has stated that “A review of this section reveals a lack of understanding of agriculture in general, a lack of supporting evidence for claims made, and a disregard for the voluminous findings in mainstream science over the past two decades on the benefits and risks of genetically engineered crops. The Findings section of the bill is copied below along with my inserted responses, links to publications, and additional resources and documents are listed at the end.”

[Proposed GMO Moratorium] SECTION 2: Findings

Cultural Heritage & Environmental Protection

1.            The rapid and unregulated growth of commercial agricultural entities engaged in the cultivation and development of GE Organisms threatens the stability and growth of Maui County’s agricultural economy, the health of its citizens, and its environment.  Moreover, the lands of Maui County and the water surrounding it have cultural and spiritual significance to the indigenous people of Hawaii. This cultural and spiritual heritage will suffer irreparable harm if the natural environment of Maui County is contaminated by GE Operations and Practices.

Response:  Cultivation and development of GE crops is highly regulated, by USDA APHISFDA and EPA. For specifics in Hawaii, see USDA Regulation of Biotechnology Field Tests in Hawaii, USDA APHIS, BRS Factsheet, February 2006. Also see EPA’s web sites on registrationregulation and use of pesticides. The National Academy of SciencesAmerican Medical AssociationWorld Health Organization, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science have repeatedly reviewed and affirmed the safety of GE crops and food.

Photo courtesy Monsanto Hawaii.

Photo courtesy Monsanto Hawaii.

2.            Maui County residents have a right to decide if the risks associated with the GE Operations and Practices are unacceptable and to take action to suspend such Operations and Practices.

Response:  Maui County residents have the right to continue to grow GE crops in their gardens, such as papaya, and commercial agricultural operations have the right to continue to farm GE crops in accordance with federal and state regulations.

3.            GE Organisms are not part of the natural environment of Maui County and instead exist in the County as a possible invasive species. Protection from the possible threat of damage and/or potentially irreversible alteration of the environment and cultural heritage from the threat of invasive GE Organisms is supported by the Hawaiian Public Turst Doctrine, the Hawaii State Constitution, and other State and County envrionmental laws.

Response:  The only plants in Maui County that are part of the natural environment are those remaining from before human contact. Certainly, highly bred commercial onions, cabbage, lettuce, papaya, banana, mangoes, and just about all crops we grow, are not. GE crops are then no different in this respect.

4.            The genetic engineering of plants and animals often causes unintended consequences. Manipulating genes via genetic engineering and inserting them into organisms is an imprecise process. The resultus are not always predictable or controllable. Mixing plant, animal, bacterial, and viral genes through genetic engineering in combinations that are not selected for in nature may produce results that lead to adverse health or environmental consequences and threaten Maui County’s cultural heritage, Environment and Public Trust Resources.

Response:  Unintended effects from plant breeding are described in the scientific literature. To date, the documented unintended consequences specifically from genetic engineering include substantial reduction in mycotoxin content in Bt corn, increased lignin in Bt corn, and GE petunias with diminishing color over generations. Any method of breeding can have unintended results, and products from GE breeding are the only ones thoroughly assessed prior to marketingGE is the most precise plant breeding technique available.

Pesticide Concerns

5.            GE Operations and Practices can have serious effects on the environment. For example, in 2013, 93 percent of all soy grown in the US was engineered to be herbicide resistant. In fact, the vast majority of GE crops are designed to withstand herbicides, and therefore promote indiscriminate herbicide use. As a result, GE herbicide-resistant crops have caused 527 million pounds of additional herbicies to be applied to the nation’s farmland. These toxic herbicides’ damage the vitality and quality of our soil, harm wildlife, contaminate our drinking water, and pose health risks to consumers and farm workers.

Response:  The USDA Economic Research Service’s comprehensive study on Pesticide Use in US Agriculture: 21 Selected Crops, 1960-2008 provides the actual data; since peak applications in the mid-1980s, the amount of herbicide applied to all US soybeans is down almost 25% along with a 33% reduction in pounds of active ingredient applied per acre, even with increased acreage. Similarly, they show that herbicide application to all 21 crops is less than the mid-1980s peak, and they compare the same trend reported by EPA for all pesticides. The associated herbicides (glyphosateand glufinosate) for GE crops are much less toxic than the herbicides they replaced, are used at lower concentrations, have a shorter half-life in soil, and are found in much lower concentrations in water than previous herbicides.  See: The Impact of GE Crops on Farm Sustainability in the US, National Research Council, National Academies Press, 2010.

6.            Increased use of herbicides in GE Operations and Practices has resulted in the rapid development and proliferation of previously unknown herbicide-tolerant superweeds. The proliferation of these superweeds threatens to overtake the habitat of native flora and fauna in uncltivated lands and forces farmers to use increasingly toxic and expensive herbicides to remove them from cultivated lands.

Response:  There is nothing new or ‘super’ about herbicide tolerant weeds; they are controlled with either an herbicide with a different mode of action or by tillage. Glyphosate is in sixth place among herbicide groups in terms of the number of resistant biotypes, behind chlorsulfouron, atrizne, dicolfop, 2, 4-D and paraquat. Herbicide resistant weeds are not unique to farming with GE crops, having arisen in the late 1950s, some 40 years before GE crops. Minimizing their occurrence and economic impact is important and a part of good agricultural management. See International Survey of Herbicide Resistant Weeds

7.            GE Operations and Practices and associated pesticide use pose a high risk of fostering rapid evolution of pests known as superbugs that become resistant to organic pesticides, to the detriment of conventional and organic farmers who are forced to use increasingly larger volumes and/or stronger pesticides to manage these new pests.

Response:  The major organic pesticide in common use by GE and organic operations is Bt. To date, the incidence of Bt resistance remains low with emphasis on abundant refuges and multiple-trait Bt crops.

8.            In some GE Operations and Practices, multiple Pesticides are applied at the same time or applied in close time proximity to each other (“pesticide cocktails”). This practice is often being used on test crops in a trial and error manner to test and develop new Pesticide resistant Crops. In this process it is possible that new and unknown chemicals are created. Although individual Pesticides have been tested and regulated for their use in isolation, there has not been adequate testing and/or regulations concerning the various chemical combinations that occur during GE Operations and Practices, and few if any of which have been tested in either short term or long term animal or human studies.

Response:  All modes of agriculture (GE, conventional, organic) across the country use a mixture of pesticides, depending upon a myriad of changing conditions. EPA regulates pesticides including combinations, and routinely makes recommendations on mixing of products. Risks of possible unknown chemicals (theoretical as it is) would not be unique to use of GE compared to non GE crops.

Regulatory Issues

9.            Inadequate regulatory oversight at the county, state, and federal levels leave the citizens of Maui County with significnat concerns regarding the immediate safety and long term effects of GE Operations and Practices threatening the integrity of Maui County’s cultural heritage, agricultural economy, tourism economy, and the health of its visitors, citizens, and the environment.

Response:  This appears to be a superfluous repetition – see response to Finding 1 above.

10.          The rapid development and introduction of GE Organisms, combined with inadequate regulatory oversight at the state and federal levels, have left the citizens of Maui County with significant concerns regarding the long-term safety of GE Operations and Practices. The Hawaii Department of Agriculture does not have an adequate regulatory structure in place to monitor GE Operations and Practices or to aid in the understanding of the impacts of these Operations and Practices on Maui’s economy, environment, cultural heritage, or public health. The direct, indirect, and cumulative impacts on Maui County regarding the long-term intensive GE Operations and Practices and associated pesticide uses have not been properly or independently evaluated.

Response:  This appears to be a superfluous repetition – see response to Finding 1 above.

Economic Considerations

11.          Agriculture is a [sic] important component of Maui’s agricultural economy. Organic agriculture is a rapidly expanding sector of Maui’s agricultural economy.

Response:  Yes, according to USDA’s latest National Ag Statistics Service’s annual survey and their latest Certified Organic Production Survey (Oct 2012), the sales of organic farm products in Hawaii of $7.475 million accounts for 1.2% of all agricultural sales, produced on 2,701 organic certified acres (1,049 in pasture/range), or 0.24% of the state’s agricultural acreage. Data by county in Hawaii could not be found.

12.          Maui County’s local economy is also dependent on the success of its tourism industry, which makes up the County’s largest employment sector. The protection of Maui’s land and waters is crucial to the continuing success of Maui’s tourism industry.

13.          Maui’s agricultural economy relies on maintaining its reputation for high quality organic and conventional crops. Preserving the identity, quality, and reliability of Maui’s agricultural products and exports is critical to its economic well-being.

Transgenic Contamination

14.          The contamination of agricultural products with GE Organisms can have a myriad of significant impacts. Organic and many foreign markets prohibit GE products and even a single event of Transgenic Contamination can and has resulted in significant economic harm when the contaminated crops are rejected by buyers.

Response:  The predominant GE crops in Hawaii are seed corn and papaya. The papaya growers have established foreign markets which includes testing of non-GE papayas prior to shipping.  According to the USDA NASS, in Hawaii there are two farms producing certified organic sweet corn and one farm producing certified organic corn silage/green chop; to date, no reports of economic loss from cross-pollination of non-organic corn are in the public domain.

15.          Transgenic contamination can and does occur as a result of cross-pollination, co-mingling of conventional and GE seeds, accidental transfer by animals or weather events, and other mechanisms. Transgenic contamination results in GE crops growing where they are not intended. For example, since the introduction of GE papaya in Hawaii County (Big Island), more than 50% of the non-GE papaya crops on the Big Island have been cross-contaminated by GE papaya.

Response:  The 2006 report from GMO-Free Hawaii claimed that papaya seed collected from backyard gardens or wild trees from the Big Island had a 50% incidence of detectable GE seeds according to the results from a commercial lab. No further confirmation or follow up study has been conducted other than UH CTAHR’s survey of papayas from across Kauai which found zero incidence for presence of GE papaya trees or their fruit.

16.          Transgenic contamination prevents farmers and the public from having the fundamental right to choose whether or not to grow crops that are free from GE. Farmers and other parties who lose non-GE standing and markets through no fault of their own as a result of transgenic contamination have no adequate legal recourse.

Response:  There are no publically available reports in Hawaii documenting loss of non-GE standing and markets due to cross-pollination from GE corn or papaya.

17.          Currently, no mechanisms exist to ensure that transgenic cotamination will not occur.

Response:  Cross-pollination in corn and papaya is well understood. In papaya, using hermaphrodite plants (combined with roughing out females) is the commercial standard, with self-pollination occurring at a very high rate before the flower opens, which greatly minimizes cross-pollination. In corn, it is well established from foundation and certified seed production that timing and distance are effective mechanisms for minimizing cross-pollination.

18.          There are no known or proven scientific methodologies or procedures to recall GE Organisms or remediate/decontaminate the Environment from any damages once GE Organisms are released into the Environment and contamination has occurred.

Response:  Not so; a simple procedure is to cease planting of a given variety. Detection of unapproved StarLink corn in the food supply in 2000 led to an immediate halt in further planting combined with continuous monitoring for its presence in US corn supply. Six years of testing showed US corn to be 99.99% StarLink free, and EPA then submitted this data in their proposal to cease the monitoring. It was successfully recalled and caused no allergies. See: US EPA Office of Pesticide Programs, Concerning Dietary Exposure to Cry9c Protein Produced by StarLink Corn and the Potential risks Associated with Such Exposure, October 16, 2007.

Risk of Harm to Soil Resources

19.          GE Operations and Practices in Maui County primarily involve seed crops and test crops that include aggressive and repeated use of pesticides before planting and during the growing cycle of these crops. Such Operations and Practices present risks and significant harm to soil resources. Some of Maui County’s soil microbes are harmed by the application of pesticides used in GE Operations and Practices.

Response:   Pesticides are used by conventional, organic and GE crop producers. Best management practices should be followed by all. There is a lack of evidence to show that soil resources are differentially affected by pesticide regimes associated with the different modes of production.

Risk of Harm to Water Resources

20.          Areas of Maui’s groundwater are already significantly contaminated with Pesticides, including DBCP and TCP, from former conventional pineapple growing operations. GE Operations and Practices in Maui County involve unprecedented use of Pesticides which greatly exacerbate an already existing problem.

Response:  Data from the Maui County Department of Water Supply on the wells at Hamakuapoko shows that the levels of these organic residues are very low, and after treatment with the installed granular activated carbon filters, the three target organic residues (DBCP, EDB and TCP) all were below the EPA limits and in almost all cases non-detectable. Also, the 2013-2014 State Wide Pesticide Sampling Pilot Project Water Quality Findingby HDOH, HDOA and USGS does not support this alleged finding; urban areas on Oahu showed the highest number of different pesticides, and Oahu’s streams had the highest number of different pesticides detected.

21.          Many field sites are left fallow for significant periods of time while repeated Pesticide applications are applied. Pesticide laden water runoff from is [sic] exacerbated by repeated Pesticide treatments to fallow sites, presenting short and long term risks of significant harm to ground and surface water, beaches, and reefs.

Response:  What data there is (see the previous response) does not support this alleged finding.

Risk of Harm to Air Resources

22.          Pesticide drift and fugitive dust from GE Operations and Practices present short and long term risks of significant harm especially to air resources, farm workers, and to persons living downwind from GE Operations and Practices.

Response:  The alleged finding is not supported by existing data. The Final Project Report for Kauai Air Sampling Study (Li et al., 2013) was conducted to address community concerns about possible pesticide residues and odorous chemicals in and around Waimea, Kauai. Results of indoor and outdoor air samples showed that those pesticides that could be detected were well below the health concern exposure limits or applicable screening levels. While this data was collected in Kauai, it is instructive for Maui County which has a similar mix of agricultural operations.

Additional Resources and Documents:

CTAHR Biotech in Focus 
USDA APHIS Biotechnology: Compliance with Regulations 
USDA APHIS BRS Update FY2012 and USDA APHIS BRS Update FY2011 
An overview of the last 10 years of genetically engineered crop safety; no significant hazard detected in 1,783 scientific records
Kauai cancer inquiries report from Hawaii State Department of Health and Hawaii Tumor Registry reply regarding Kauai cancer inquiries
Genetically Engineered Plants and Foods: A scientist’s analysis of the issues, Part 1 and Part 2 by Peggy Lemaux, UC Berkeley

Academics Review: Scientific analysis of unsubstantiated claims by Jeffery Smith about agricultural biotechnology

 

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  • PaiaGirl

    It is really a shame that our universities now have to depend on corporate support to fund their research programs.

    What that means is that only those research projects which benefit the corporate funder are undertaken.

    Resulting in a tilt towards that corporate sponsor. I’m not saying that people aren’t honest. I’m saying that no one is funding any studies that could uncover problems.

    We need to start federal funding of basic research again.

    That said, the author IS playing fast and loose with some facts – like saying that Hamakuapoko Wells are safe after filtration. EPA limits on the pesticide contaminating H-poko wells is ZERO. Filtered water tests at zero DETECTABLE – which every chemist knows is not the same as ZERO itself.

    • Robert Howd

      There are no federal regulatory limits (maximum contaminant levels) of zero for chemicals in drinking water, for exactly the reason you suggest.

    • http://lukekambic.com/ Lukas Kambic

      The contaminants in the H-poko wells were all used as nematicides. Here on the big island, USDA researchers have developed transgenic anthuriums that resist nematode attack thanks to a gene transferred from a naturally resistant plant. These anthurium varieties were in shadehouse tests when the recent GMO law passed here, which bans all new transgenic crops indiscriminately. While the law is considered in the courts, anthurium farmers will continue to use harsh nematicides.

      The dose makes the poison- that’s toxicology 101. Claims to the contrary are usually based on mystification. Current detection methods are spectacularly sensitive. Halogenated hydrocarbons like the ones mentioned can be detected in the parts-per-quadrillion range. Can you cite a toxicologist who believes that *undetectable* levels of these substances are in any way dangerous?

      “I’m saying that no one is funding any studies that could uncover problems.”
      Can you describe a study you’d like to see performed? There really have been an awful lot of studies. Many of them were publicly funded, just like the transgenic crop research at UH. The companies have their own labs.

      • TSL

        Sorry to be the messenger of bad new’s Sir it appears you have the condition known as toxicomania!There is help if you choose to use it!Take it easy with the over thinking!

        • http://lukekambic.com/ Lukas Kambic

          “Take it easy with the over thinking!”

          When you say “over thinking”, I guess you mean “thinking”.

    • Justin Hahn

      it’s a problem when the academy can’t fund all sorts of curious and useful research. perhaps one cause of it is that monies from major economic players (eg Bishop Estate) is earmarked for race-based endeavors.

  • 808state

    I call BS on the response. A bunch of malarky.

    • http://lukekambic.com/ Lukas Kambic

      That’s quite a refutation you’ve got there.

    • Justin Hahn

      i dislike his conclusion. i don’t have the patience or wherewithal to address his logic and introduced findings, so… i shall assert how much i feel the findings are flawed with no evidence to back me up.
      it just feels wrong!

  • NOGMO

    “Mommy my eyes and throat hurt when they spray chemicals on our food” Please tell them to stop

    • http://lukekambic.com/ Lukas Kambic

      Said no kid ever, until some adults told them that all human health problems are caused by miniscule traces of pesticides, smart meter radiation, and chemtrails.

  • Mahukaawenui

    Sounds reasonable to me

  • TSL

    Here you have it lady’s & gentleman a PHD scientist with his belief in USDA questionable standards!It’s clear that Btcorn has a secretion harmfull to soil biology mainly mycorrhiza fungi!Looks like GM crop’s produce large yield’s at the cost of soil mycor loss!Let’s live like there’s no tomorrow because with the GMO approach we will hit the point of no return soon!It is clearly a case of David and Goliath!

    • Sterling Ericsson

      Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your claim about Bt corn?

      • TSL

        It’s a fact, do your research!You mite not like what you find!What college are you at ? You have been a busy boy this weekend!Did they pay per responce or is flat rate by the hour?

        • Sterling Ericsson

          I’m a senior Molecular Biology major at Texas A&M University.

          Now, what was the evidence again? I can’t do the research if the evidence doesn’t exist and all I have to go on here is a claim in a newspaper comment section. Give me a link to a source for the claim.

          • TSL

            Texas A&M OMG them dudes get a lot of funding from ortho,shell oil,good god your in Texas the state that run’s the world!Dude go out in the field and do your own cotrol experiment or hire a dirt farmer to do the real biology!With access to the lab Iam shure you could pull this off,I chalange you as a graduate project to prove me wrong!Good luck with that major!

  • Maui_Mike

    This guy has been drinking the cool aid supplied to him by Monsanto too long, he is obviously ignoring many facts and studies that are contrary to his opinion, the roundup is a toxic soil contamination issue that he could never rational explain away, and that’s just one of many issues with GMO practices.

    • Sterling Ericsson

      Roundup has a lower soil life than most other pesticides in use, including organic pesticides. So, wouldn’t this be more of an issue whereby organic farming is contaminating the soil?

      • Maui_Mike

        First off roundup is not a pesticide, it is a weed killer or herbicide, and it has been proven that it has a toxic effect on the soil and kills microorganisms that make soil able to grow plants, this can make it impossible for plants to grow in that soil after only a few years, also GMO is supposed to make plants resistant to pests and ammune to roundup, but pests evolve and adapt on a faster scale than humans, so it forces pests to evolve into super pests resistent to almost anything, same with plants, it takes more and more roundup to be effective with each grow cycle, it leaches into groundwater and runs into the ocean…. If you find this harmless then you are mistaken and should have no problem drinking some with your next meal, you are wrong on all counts, only Monsanto says roundup is harmless, all other science has a different opinion entirely.

        • Sterling Ericsson

          All herbicides are pesticides. Weeds are a pest. Even the EPA classifies herbicides as pesticides.

          Vinegar and lemon juice do the same thing to the soil. Which is why, with most pesticides, you’re only supposed to do a light misting on the plants themselves, so it won’t get into the soil.

          Pests evolving into “super” pests has always happened. That is a thing that happens and why you need to rotate what you use every season. This issue is one that is the same in organic farming with organic pesticides.

          Again, the proper way to use pesticides is a light misting, which will not leech into the soil or into groundwater. Most farmers do it the proper way, though i’m sure there a number that do not. But, again, the same is true for all pesticides, including those in conventional and organic farming. Personally, i’d be much more concerned about the use of copper sulfate in organic farming, since it is much, much more toxic.

          • Maui_Mike

            I would have to respectfully disagree, herbicides and pesticides have different connotations, which is why there are the two different words.
            With that aside, GMO is not using less roundup nor pesticide each cycle, but rather more and more, which is problematic, as far as the super pests, this evolution is expedited many times over through GMO practices. I concede that chemicals are used in all forms of farming, but it pales in comparison to the damage done by GMO destruction, I grew up in ohio and have had farming in my family for many generations, I have enough knowledge about GMO to know it is counterproductive and no more sustainable than traditional methods, I do agree there are many bad chems used and this should be banned as well.

          • Spamihazit

            You obviously have never farmed a day in your life. Herbicides are a type of pesticide. That is a fact. Like how a tiger is a type of large cats. EPA defines pesticides as “A pesticide is any substance or mixture of substances intended for:preventing, destroying, repelling, or mitigating any pest. Though often misunderstood to refer only to insecticides, the term pesticide also applies to herbicides, fungicides, and various other substances used to control pests.”

            I have worked with conventional, organic, and GE farms. When it comes to INSECTICIDE applications, GE growers use 1-2 application per season. Compare that to a conventional farm or organic farm who spray insecticides 17-24 applications per season. And before you accuse me, no, I’ve never worked for any seed company, never received any money or favors from any chemical company. Not that this matters, because you’ll say it anyway, but whatever. I am a student and child of agriculture, and am tired of people who do not and cannot farm, voicing their baseless opinions on a subject about which they know NOTHING.

          • Maui_Mike

            I find it pointless to refute your assertions, I have made informed decisions and will continue to do so, I will only say this, my family has farmed for generations, and I have a wealth of knowledge that no scientist could ever replace with convenient lies and manipulation of facts.

    • Spamihazit

      That’s the problem with these arguments. No matter how much science supports the safety of GMOs, it doesn’t matter to you guys, because we’re “all in Monsanto’s pockets”. Monsanto, or any other chemical company, has never given me anything. The SCIENCE says Roundup is less toxic than caffeine. and to your lower comment, yes, Roundup IS A PESTICIDE. pesticides include herbicides, insecticides, fungicides, miticides, and anything to kill, destroy, mitigate, or control a pest. This is why people like you need to STOP with your opinions on subjects where you have NO FORMAL EDUCATION.

      • Maui_Mike

        You choose to focus on the irrelevant, you wish to argue about what to call it, that is low in importance to me. I have no doubt you are correct, but they are given different names to easily distinguish them, but call them what you like, and believe what you wish….you can eat all the GMO you want, informed people may choose to do differently.

  • usbworks

    Nothing new here. Gun for hire.

  • bobglorptknck

    This “Expertʻs” rebuttal should be taken with a grain of salt. The simple fact that it was delivered to Maui Now by Monsanto speaks volumes about the objectivity of the “expert” and his opinion. To me, his opinion is no more valid, or valuable than any other single person here on Maui.

    The international community has spoken quite loudly that GE crops and companies like Monsanto are not positive, progressive moves for our society. All over the world PEOPLE have made a stand against GMOʻs and Monsanto. Now the movement has gained significant momentum in Hawaii, because a significant portion of the PEOPLE do not agree with current practices of Monsanto and other similar corporations.

    Monsanto has bought their way into the highest levels of the U.S. government, they have bought their way into the Supreme Court, but they cannot buy the PEOPLE. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one! That is what is happening here, the many are speaking, loudly!!!

  • datruth

    You would think that if most of the world is making a stand against GMO and greedy corporations like Monsato, (by the way they were kicked out of the Big Island and Kauai but Monsato is filing a lawsuit in Kauai saying it is unconstitutional) that the people of Maui would get a clue. Man it blows my mind that we have some of the stupidest idiots on planet earth here backing Monsato. Monsato is my neighbor, I live right next to them and I did not ask for them to move in with their tall trees along Mokulele trying to hide their practice, what were they hoping no one would notice, it is bad enough we have to deal with the HC&S idiots now we got these Dr. Frankenstein rejects to deal with. They had the cajones to knock on my door asking how I felt about them as neighbors, I gave them a 1 on a scale from 1-10 and told them to go back to the mainland. Where I live it is hard to enjoy life, my family has to deal with sinus infections( I just got over a bad one and had to get antibiotics), my son is a aspiring athlete but because of these idiots he is always fighting some kind of sickness, his dreams are getting cut short. They have no right to be here and play with people lives. We are afraid to open the windows at night or even during the day when the wind is blowing. Maui is no longer paradise and hasn’t been for a long time!

  • TSL

    Who is telling the truth?Well if your government use’s the merchant law(Admiralty law) there right if the people use constitution law there right (SHAKA)!Remember county,state,federal system’s use admiralty law(set up to benifit corpoation’s)!Because the council member’s swear an oath to up hold the constitution of the united states they are now between a rock and a hard spot!Look into that yellow fring around the american flag,it’s only present in court’s,government building’s legislative body’s,ask your self are we still using the CONSTITUTION?


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