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HC&S Mill, photo by Wendy Osher.

By Wendy Osher

Officials at Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar Company responded today to a cane burning petition presented by members of an opposition group on Maui.

In the statement, HC&S General Manager, Rick Volner said, “We recognize there are different views about farming in Central Maui. We respect everyone’s right to express opinions and we listen to what people have to say.”

The petition, which organizers say contains an estimated 8,730 signatures, was delivered to state Health Department officials on Tuesday. Organizer Karen Chun delivered a second petition to HC&S today.

Company officials contend that they have taken additional steps to mitigate impacts of cane burning, and continue to look for ways to improve operations. As the last sugar plantation in the state, Volner said the company remains committed to keeping HC&S alive.

One of the missions moving forward is to explore options for converting the plantation from a sugar farm into a bio-energy farm, said Volner. He also stated that the company would be unable to remain a part of the community if it were prohibited from burning cane today, before a viable alternative is found.

Central Maui sugar cane fields. Image by Wendy Osher.

The statement from Rick Volner, HC&S General Manager released this afternoon reads as follows:

We did meet today with the group against cane burning and received their petition which calls for the prohibition of cane burning at HC&S. We recognize there are different views about farming in Central Maui. We respect everyone’s right to express opinions and we listen to what people have to say.

All of HC&S’ 800 employees are Maui residents—we live here too and care greatly about our community’s health. We have taken additional steps to mitigate the impacts of cane burning, such as more notification tools for people to find out, in advance, where and when we will be burning; improved weather collection data and analysis; and changes to burning practices. And we will continuously look for ways to improve our operations, while reducing our impacts to our neighbors.

For more than 140 years, HC&S has been growing sugar cane in Maui’s Central Valley. And while HC&S is, today, the last sugar plantation in the state, we are committed to keeping HC&S alive. We have 800 employees and their families who are dependent on the plantation. We invest over $100 million a year in Maui’s economy, providing a significant economic benefit to the broader community. We keep the Central Valley green and beautiful, in contrast to its arid and sparsely vegetated condition before cane was grown. And we are an important source of renewable energy for Maui, where we not only supply all of our own electrical needs, but 6% of the rest of the island’s electrical needs as well.

But we are not standing on just the past. One of our primary missions is to explore every option for converting the plantation from a sugar farm, into a bio-energy farm — growing a feedstock that can be converted into a renewable source of fuel that can reduce Maui’s dependency on imported oil. In partnership with the University of Hawaii and other agencies, we have received $12 million in federal grants to test a variety of feedstock, and are in discussions with companies that are working on technologies to convert that feedstock into biofuel. We believe that this is the best route for HC&S in the long-term, but it won’t happen overnight. In the meantime, we remain committed to sustaining HC&S and the positive contributions we and our employees provide to the broader community. If, however, we were to be prohibited from burning cane today, before we can find a viable alternative, HC&S will be unable to remain a part of the Maui community.

The company offers updated information on harvesting and burn schedules via a recorded message  available at (808) 877-6963, and also via a web-based map online at: Cane Burning Schedule Map.

Organizers of the petition have also scheduled a sign waving event this Saturday, September 29, in Kahului. More meetings may be scheduled between Stop Cane Burning and HC&S, according to group organizers.

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  • Island native

    Corporate rhetoric. Down with HC&S and their pollution of yesteryear. Their response sounds more like a threat than anything else.

    • MauiBRI

      It’s a fact not a threat, if they can’t burn cane then they can’t keep creating the product that sells to pay for all the employees that are there. How will they get the money to pay the employees if the product is not made and sold?

      • TaroFarmer

        Maybe they could start by paying you, an obvious employee to troll the internet in support of cane burning while we are cut off from our water supply.

        • MauiBRI

          You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about since your comment barely made sense & Actually I don’t work for hc&s. I sell bottled water all over this island. I’m not trolling the Internet I’m keeping my self educated on the ongoing issues in our community.
          Clearly you are not educated enough to understand that you don’t have to work for a company to know that it benefits our island in more positive ways then just the negative smoke filled air.
          Some people don’t need to be paid to keep themselves up to date on issues.
          My opinion back to you is that you either get your self educated and provide us with some real info or stop posting an opinion of judgment that actually has no real point.

          • Island Native

            Just to clarify, what you are saying is that you sell bottled water to HC&S but you don’t “work” for them. Please educate me further on this complex arrangement.

          • MauiBRI

            I never said i sold them water, I sell bottled water to retailers and hotels on this island. That is my job. I like how you assume judgments on me. What is your job? Because for example if you are a mechanic? Mechanics fix their vehicles. Basically you are implying that because hc&s purchases things its considered you work for them as we’ll. Noted. As I’ve explained before small businesses profit from big businesses like hc&s so it’s obvious that if you sell them anything in your small mind you feel you work for them. Even if I worked for them I would support the issue solely on that. There are bigger pictures you clearly don’t see.

          • MauiBRI

            Wouldn’t support * the issue solely in the fact that I worked for them.

          • Island Native

            “they buy water for the employee”
            –>This is from your earlier comment. I just put 2 and 2 together with my uneducated math skills. How would you ever know this if you don’t sell it to them or work for them? I’m not making judgement, just trying to gain an understanding of why you can justify jobs over health. Your argument that everything is bad for you nowadays is just plain nonsense. No one is saying we can’t continue to grow cane. The argument is against burning it. No one said they want to eliminate the agriculture industry, we just want to change it for the better. This is the picture that I see.

            Again, I will support a small business and entrepreneurship any day.

          • MauiBRi

            There you go again..assuming. I work for a company that sells small pack bottled water but since I’m in the industry I know that they do buy 5 gallon water from another company. Also i know people who work their amd they’ve told me that they are provided with water. Your not putting 2 and 2 together you are assuming. And if I was rich & opened up some 5 gallon bottling plant I probably would love to sell to them, can you imagine how much a business would make on supplying 800 people with water?or anything for that matter? You don’t know me, you obviously can’t understand what you read or you would have known the first time i said i don’t sell them water, i have absolutely no reason to lie and nothing to lose. You are just an assumer, you just assume that the cane burning is a cause of asthma, you just assume that there is a way to harvest cane with all the same employees at a similar cost, NO it would cost more and they’d employ less. I’m getting off of this comment forum because for one I don’t owe anyone especially you an explanation on anything, number two you just think its plain and simple, easy to make change & number three it’s annoying to have to explain everything over and over because people like you can’t read things correctly or educate your self further before getting involved in a conversation about all of this!

    • rickvolner

      You are so right! I wonder how much Rick Volner gets paid to spin out that B.S. and how his take home with bonuses compares to the 5th generation field worker? Like he gives a $#!7 about anything accept making as much profit as he can. It doesnt matter if he has to squeeze it from his own employees or from other peoples health.

  • mauigirl

    I am ok with cane burning. You knew when you moved here that is our main ag industry. You should have thought before leaving the mainland.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000394317279 Karen Chun

      You think born and raised people don’t have asthma? You think born and raised people aren’t dying from cane smoke? This idea that it is ok to trade 800 jobs for even one death is crazy.

      • mauigirl

        YOu can move to Arizona . No vog there either. Does the volcano on the big island bother you too. That we cannot move for you

      • puukolii boy

        I don’t and i lived in the middle of the sugar cane fields in puukolii camp. You should clean your house too. Your blanket and clothing air also killing you. All that lints is causing you to have asthma why don’t you save yourself and get rid of that too!!!! Quick! Karen run get out of your house! Its not safe in there to much lints run!!!!! LOL,LOL,LOL…….. why don’t you make a protest about that too…. OH MY GOODNESS WHAT A NAGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Concerned_Citizen

        Hey Karen, why not give us a example case in which sugar cane burning ON MAUI was directly related and was the main cause of death? Seems your arguments lack substance. And PS, why not answer 808Countrygirl’s questions directly?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000394317279 Karen Chun

          Go to stop cane burning dot org and look at the right column. You can reed 2 peer-reviewed studies showing that burning of sugarcane causes lung disease.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000394317279 Karen Chun

            read – darn spell checker ;-)

          • Concerned_Citizen

            Two peer-reviewed studies? I want cases, not studies. There are studies that say cell phone usage may cause brain tumors, doesn’t mean it does.

  • SistaChev

    I read hc&s response and i think the bio energy is good..question is why arent they doing it NOW!They received 12 million to check on it…Why continue the burning of cane…Pau already like what you said”you the only sugar cane company”…i agree if only get you then you to should close down.You say you have 800employees well what about the rest from lahaina to all the other islands that LOST THERE JOBS TOO!AND THEY HAVE FAMILIES TOO!NOT FAIR AT ALL!PLEASE STOP THE BURNING CANE ON MAUI!PLEASE FIND OTHER WAYS TO MAKE MONEY.
    Mahalo

  • MauiBRI

    Cane burning is a part of our culture, stick it out like everyone else or move. Like seriously they said 800 employees not 8, do you really care that little about those workers and their families? We’re trying to create more jobs, not eliminate. Are you going to magically create 800 more jobs on this island for them? I think were having enough trouble creating them as it is. Or shall we over populate were the cane fields are now with giant buildings & make it look like oahu & have poluted air anyway? they had transferred a lot of people from the other locations that were closed to this one so they could still have a job. They even had pentions and pay outs for those who could not be transferred. Don’t act like this isn’t a very large part of our states income. I mean all their supplies have to come from somewhere, they buy water for the employees and provide uniforms and have vehicles that use mechanic shops. Is there also money that will be magically appearing to all the business they help keep in business by giving them business. 8,000 people signed the petition but there’s a population of 150,000 that did not sign! Think about it!

    • MauiBRI

      Where*
      Also a lot of employees are reaching their retirement and losing their job now would take away any pension that they would be otherwise promised. Really do these protesters even care? I bet the 6000 of the 8000 signers are not from here and don’t really care what happens, they just wanna make it “so called” better for their selfish selves. Well if you can afford to not work and have the time to create this whole petition and sign waving, then you probably have the money to move where this isn’t a problem for you!

      • Westside

        Are you serious? Your argument is jobs over health? If there is one thing in life we are all equally entitled to, no matter where you reside on this planet, it is CLEAN AIR. Unfortunately, If you live in Paia, Kihei, Pukalani, Maalaea etc…HC&S dictates whether you are entitled to clean air from one day to the next. If that’s the case then I’ll support small business and entrepreneurs any day over a big business that’s polluting the air for the entire population. Something else to consider, this discussion hits closer to home for some than others depending on where you live on the island and also whether or not it affects your health. If you had any respiratory issues you wouldn’t be here supporting cane burning, guaranteed. If you have ever woken up to a house filled with smoke you would not be supporting cane burning. If you ever lived in a place and had to close the windows each night in the middle of summer and sweat it out because of fear of cane smoke…

        Lahaina side smartened up years ago and finally said ENOUGH and they’re all the better because of it.

        • MauiBRI

          Just so you know I live right where the smoke fills my house so i know exactly how it is but “somehow” i learn to deal, my husband has asthma and I don’t hear him complaining. My argument isn’t jobs over health, If you read what I said carefully its that their company doesn’t profit a lot from their product but our small businesses profit off of the businesses provided to them by hc&s. If you were an employee at hc&s even in an office, you wouldn’t complain because you might lose your job, or maybe you’d learn that their are more benefits having them around then negatives. A&B isn’t worried because a lot of the people who signed the petition probably have the luxury of staying home all day and can focus on the smoke filling their neighborhood, their sign holding is probably not gonna make a huge difference and shut it down. You need people who actually are important and hard working on this island to fill up your 8000 people petition. I guess you all must not realize that soon well have so much people on welfare & unemployment either taxes will be hiked or they’ll do away with the program all together. When they closed down the other plants we were not in a recession but now we are, hence they’re are not as many available jobs as their are now. But obviously the 800+ people are not a good enough reason for people like you, we’ll good, you can support these families and provide them with homes. I mean majority of the people complaining probably have big houses and a lot of extra time on their hands unlike us working people who don’t have time to stand around and hold signs protesting something that was there long before any of us. And btw: if your so worried about people’s health then make them aware to stop using toothpaste because you know fluoride is poisonous and can cause cancer and stop drinking soda out of the can because it can cause cancer, stop eating fruits and vegetables that aren’t organic because it has chemicals that can cause cancer, while your at it don’t drink alcohol cause it can cause..well CANCER, can we really put all the blame on this one corporation. I mean if your so worried about all of this you’ll be fighting till death.. There is no way to stop all the health issues and the only reason people are even attempting to protest this is because its something you can smell & see, as far as these others it just happens..nothing is healthy for us anymore, nothing is safe for us anymore. What is the point of putting hard working people out of work when we’ll clearly still have health issues? Wait until this island is overpopulated & cant find space to build your oversized homes, overflowing with competitors for our small business and then you’ll see that burning can’t isn’t such a big issue.. Just wait the time will come.

          • Westside

            “You need people who actually are important and hard working on this island to fill up your 8000 people petition
            –>WOW because none of the 8000 people who signed the petition are important and surely they are not hard workers.

            “I mean majority of the people complaining probably have big houses and a
            lot of extra time on their hands unlike us working people who don’t
            have time to stand around and hold signs protesting something that was
            there long before any of us”
            –>Nope, I stay in a small place and work 2 jobs. I don’t have time to protest.

            “…and btw: if your so worried about people’s health”
            This issue affects myself and the health of my loved ones daily and this is why I choose to “worry about it”.

            “Just wait the time will come”
            –>Are you from the FUTURE?

          • MauiBRI

            Do you have proof that the 8000 people are hardworking MAUI residents? I’m not from the future, but your obviously living in the past if you don’t see how everything already affects our health now & that hc&s isnt the biggest problem. And my statement of “just wait the time will come” was clearly referring to the fact that if hc&s closes our island will change drastically and most likely negatively. If you wanna live on Oahu go! But I’m not supporting that Maui change to that just because people like you don’t understand the purpose of the land owned and used by hc&s. It’s clear that if you had a job at hc&s you’d probably keep your mouth shut. I don’t work their but I know a lot of people who do & are “almost worried” this might affect them. But it probably won’t, because their isn’t enough of people like you on this island to shut the place down.. And I’m not worried about my future it’s my children’s. People die in car accidents and I don’t see people protesting cars???do you not get that there is a bigger picture?wow.. You can argue with me all you want but you will never tell me something I don’t already know. I’ve lived here all my life & I feel those are the kinds of people who should have the choice. These signers are mostly small minded and care more about the “slight chance(not proven)” that this is making people sick. Where is the absolute proof? i see people who’ve worked their and live in the affected areas living longer than most. My point is..cane burning is no different than any other thing that could cause health issues or death. It’s just one in a billion!

          • SUGAR BARRONS

            “their company doesn’t profit a lot from their product”
            Trust me the Executives are profiting. Just because they don’t show a profit on the books does not mean someone is not profitting. Ask Mitt Romney.

          • SUGAR BARRONS

            ” you can support these families and provide them with homes” where us white people are from we just build more prisons. Simple solution.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000394317279 Karen Chun

      Question: How many lives ruined by asthma equal 800 jobs? What is the trade off? Are 2,000 asthma cases an acceptable trade for 800 jobs? 1,000 cases?

      How many asthma deaths are an acceptable trade for 800 jobs. 2 per year? 1 per year?

      • MauiBRI

        How can u prove that even 1 was from the cane? Are u a doctor?scientist?

      • mauigirl

        My friend left to live in Arizona …it was the vog that hurt his asthma not the cane.
        YOu should look at real estate in Arizona . very good prices.

      • Sam

        You got any data to back your claims up? If not, stop this, you make yourself look silly
        What are the numbers of deaths that can be linked directly to the cane burning?What is the number of cases of asthma that can be directly linked to cane burning?
        You get that data, you may have an argument instead of cheap emotional comments. No one thinks a job is worth a life and you know it, so get the data and make reasonable arguments.

    • Kapuna

      Its not part of your culture unless your not Hawaiian and are Filipino or Portuguese, then I guess it is part of your culture and you should practice your culture somewhere else. Sugar cane is not Hawaiian.

  • Auntie

    Auntie get choke asthma when smoke come in da house, always affect her for days after. Get closed windows for when stay sleeping, smoke still gets in da house.

  • Jlorra Pualani Savala

    I have read the publications and comments, and have been monitoring this situation with not only HC&S, but as far back as Wailuku Sugar Company and all the history behind the Sugar Companies. My position is that we need to remember that if we don’t have cane growing, what do we the people that are from here will see instead of cane. The ones that are really affected by this decision, think about it. What do you think will replace the cane! SKY SCRAPERS!!!!!THINK ABOUT IT!!!!! Yes, I was born and raised in Upper Waiehu and Waihe’e Valley and my great grandfather’s land was taken by the “New Comers” I do my homework, I fight for the Kuleana lands that we barely have left, so don’t go that direction with me unless you know who your ancestors are and where you come from. I have studied and continue my education both in Western law and Hawaiian Kingdom Law so bring it.

    Most of all, I’m fighting against it because my father who is a worker for HC&S and he is not a big wig in the company, but like my great grandfather seven generations back Kaawa from Upper Waiehu, Maui he has worked all his life to provide for his family. He is turning 70years old this October and he has no letters behind his name, but can school anyone that thinks they know how to operate heavy equipment machinery. But, those that don’t do their homework and just read the newspapers or believe what they hear, instead of thinking about we the local people like my dad will lose his job. The saying goes “If you don’t like it here, “GO BACK FROM WHERE YOU CAME FROM”!

    P.S- Don’t give me any excuses also about asthma because my oldest son that is 22 years old, has had asthma all his life, and if I can control his asthma attacks with the cane field burning, you are singing to the choir.

    Love It Or Leave It (Hele On)
    -Jlorra Pualani Savala-

    • Island Native

      a) We can keep the cane, but we need to harvest without burning. Why can’t we have more than one crop?
      b) You said it already, your son has had asthma all his life. Have you ever stopped to consider why? Do you think that the quality of the air outside might be the biggest factor to his well being?
      c) How often is cane smoke in your household? Have you called the hotline each night of your life to find out where the next burn will be? Have you then cross referenced that burn with the projected wind direction for that hour of the morning?

      • puukolii boy

        Hey island native
        have you ever considered that asthma is all over worldwide and cane is not!!! So people in Alaska has asthma because of cane smoke?!?!?! Give me a break…… asthma can be triggered by anything. It could be because you don’t clean your house good enough!!!!! Could be anything from outside. I was born here on maui and raised in puukolii plantation camp we had cane smoke going into our house all the time and when I was in school everytime they harvest cane… I don’t have asthma.. so stop yacking and clean your house more thoroughly.

    • Dakine

      Your right!! I heard that HC&S wants to build SKYSCRAPERS once they cease cane production!! Lots of SKYSCRAPERS!!! TOWERING SKYSCRAPERS!!! Btw, I think there may be monsters under your bed as well.

    • Dakine

      Your right!! I heard that HC&S wants to build SKYSCRAPERS once they cease cane production!! Lots of SKYSCRAPERS!!! TOWERING SKYSCRAPERS!!! Btw, I think there may be monsters under your bed as well.

    • Dakine

      Your right!! I heard that HC&S wants to build SKYSCRAPERS once they cease cane production!! Lots of SKYSCRAPERS!!! TOWERING SKYSCRAPERS!!! I think there may be monsters under your bed as well.

    • Dakine

      Your right!! I heard that HC&S wants to build SKYSCRAPERS once they cease cane production!! Lots of SKYSCRAPERS!!! TOWERING SKYSCRAPERS!!! I think there may be monsters under your bed as well.

    • Dakine

      Your right!! I heard that HC&S wants to build SKYSCRAPERS once they cease cane production!! Lots of SKYSCRAPERS!!! TOWERING SKYSCRAPERS!!!

    • Dakine

      Your right!! I heard that HC&S wants to build SKYSCRAPERS once they stop cane production!! Lots of SKYSCRAPERS!!! TOWERING SKYSCRAPERS!!! I think there may be monsters under your bed as well.

  • mauigirl

    fyi: no cane burn on Molokai.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000394317279 Karen Chun

    What is making me shake my head is all these people commenting that they have asthma and they are just fine so all those complaining should just leave Maui.

    It is like – NEWS FLASH – why do you think you have asthma???? Cane burning. You are NOT “just fine”. You have lung disease. Your keiki have lung disease. And we lose a few of our keiki and ‘opio every year from asthma.

    This is NOT FINE! Trading 800 jobs for people’s health and very lives is not “just fine”.

    • MauiBRI

      So what you don’t think people could have asthma when living somewhere with no cane smoke? Do you hear yourself? Your basically stating one thing causes all these deaths, but you cannot prove it & people will die from asthma with or without cane smoke. It’s asthma not can smoke disease!

    • maui resident

      I have asthma n i aint complaining..i got it 4m my mother wen i was born n she lived in the mainland…i was born up there too n diagnosed wit asthma shortly after birth..my father wantd to move bak home so 3mo b4 my birthday were here…realize that asthma also kan b hereditary.

    • what Karen you forgot

      Your the one who’s complaining worked your own advice and move away from Maui…….. so,
      Buy, buy, tu-du-loooo, adios, go already ,scram and don’t come back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And st the way you should shake your head somemore your brain is twisted and loose…. you’re the one started posting about asthma in the first place …….. go back and read your owm post cause you’re makeing your self look stupid……..

    • eoe

      “And we lose a few of our keiki and ‘opio every year from asthma.”

      I love it when transplants pepper their speech with Hawaiian words.

  • Brainpicnic

    Some of you like smoke, dust and breathing problems, so maybe move to a big mainland city already. Plenty of people would love to take your place and protect this aina. One moderate size resort employs more people than all this cane, and different crops would also. Having cane planted doesn’t relate to keeping Maui from becoming Oahu, or prevent skyscrapers, that’s your HC&S brainwashing talking.

    • to brainless back to you

      Hey brainiack
      Why don’t you go away….. goto Floridas everglades and live there where the grass is green and the says are blue and the air is clean and where the gaters are hungry for dumm dumms like you!!!!! “JACKASS”

  • maui resident

    I don’t understand why people complaining Bout the cane burning…its been arnd for years and its wat makes maui maui. I have asthma n live on da southside so wen they do burn close i get smoke in my house too bt i deal with it…the complainers need to realize that this hc&s is part of the maui culture…if you guys can’t handle it then move becuz I been here my whole life and do not want to see buildings wen I drive to town. If I wanted to see buildiings endlessly I would move to oahu or the mainland…we already gotta deal with this mall comin up. So I say if you don’t like it then move the hell of this island or move out to lahaina or east side where the burning is pretty ineffective. People these days that try to change the maui scenery big time need to wake up n open their eyes!!! N unless they decided to employ the 800 workers so they can support their familes, they need to shutup n back off!!

    • MauiBred

      Hmm… I’m pretty sure cane land is regularly being sold off, developed and turned into…you guessed it: buildings. It’s already happening. Please, try open your eyes, my friend. They are getting rid of their precious cane lands, piece by piece, to build big shopping areas in Kahului, big housing developments, and more. HC&S knows the cane is pretty much a worthless crop. They are just passing the time until they come up with a more profitable solution for their big “land plan”. In the meantime, our people (whatever color they are, wherever they came from) are getting sick. To turn a blind eye to that too, is inexcusable. When the dollar signs show up and a new alternative is there, we will see how much they care about those 800 employees. Time will tell.

  • Zip it dum dum

    This is something to think about. Stop driving!!! The amount of fumes dat comes out does more damage than that cane burning.

  • Zip it dum dum

    It’s alright cause its all white

  • 808CountryGirl

    Dear Karen Chun,
    This is my 4th letter to you and till this day, you still have not responded to any of my “postings”. are you afraid of the truth being put out there to the rest of Maui so they can see you for who you really are? Oh, and by the way, all the questions / statements listed below are PUBLIC INFORMATION, especially when you post it on social media sites and other various forums.
    I think the rest of the community would love to hear what you have to say to these questions / statements:
    #1: YOU CHOSE TO MOVE TO MAUI from California. YOU CHOSE, YOUR CHOICE, so whats the problem?
    #2: YOU HAVE MORE THAN 1 HOME ON MAUI, if the home in Paia is so overwhelmed by cane smoke, go move into one of your other homes thru your various trusts?
    #3: YOU have been complaining on this issue for quite some time, but I have never once seen you come up with or offer up viable solutions to be presented to HC&S except to stop burning.
    #4: YOU SAY YOU HAVE LUNG DISEASE. How many years were you a smoker? and can your doctor PROVE that its the cane smoke that made you sick?
    My POINT to you AGAIN is, you made a decision to move here knowing that HC & S was here BEFORE YOU and that they burned cane. YOU knew in what areas of the island cane smoke affected homes the most, yet you CHOSE to buy a home right in the path of the smoke.
    You put all this time and energy into getting approx 8K people to sign your petition, why don’t you ask these 8K people for solutions, instead of signatures. BE A PROBLEM SOLVER NOT A SH*T KICKER / NOISEMAKER / NAG. If you and your fellow 8K petitioners get HC&S to stop burning cane, are all 8K of you going to help the 800 families that you are now displacing in an already troubled economy?
    Lung Disease. A doctor (pulmonologist) can NOT verify or confirm in a medical or scientific statment that cane smoke caused your lung disease, ESPECIALLY, when you were a cigarette smoker.
    To wrap it up, I think no make that feel that the Maui community who is closely following this “issue” deserve some answers from YOU since you have put yourself out there in the forefront and basically made yourself the spokesperson for the “stop burning cane” petition.
    Waiting for answers…
    808CountryGirl

    • CountryBoy

      Why should the burden be put on the people for what HC&S needs to do to resolve the issue? They are a business.

      • 808CountryGirl

        I’m not asking the people of Maui to resolve the issue, I’m asking Karen Chun and her fellow 8K petition signers to come up with solutions, since they are the ones making the most noise. If you are going to complain, be ready for to offer up a solution. If not, shush.

        • BKanahele

          Sounds like they did come up with a solution. Its called a no burn harvest. No one loses jobs, and everyones health is better. Havent you been paying attention. I dont even care about this issue and I got that point from the beginning. lol.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000394317279 Karen Chun

      My question to you…How many asthma deaths balance out 800 jobs? 10 per year? 1 per year? 1 every other year?

      • No Can

        My question to you Karen is did you smoke cigarettes? And if so, for how long and how many packs a day?

      • 808CountryGirl

        wow…still won’t answer the questions huh Karen. YOU chose to make yourself the frontman for this cause. The community of Maui other than the 8K people you convinced DESERVE to know the answers to the questions / statments I have asked. I even think that your 8k petitioners would change their minds if they really KNEW WHO YOU ARE!!! LADY…YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE! Shush your mouth and start being a problem solver. if you have nothing good to contribute to life, the community or anything, do everyone a favor on this forum, STOP POSTING!!! Fellow Maui citizens, lets start a petition to shut this lady up once and for all!!!

    • Sam

      Great points 808CountryGirl. She won’t respond, those that want to shove their will and self-import on others usually don’t

  • KCardwell

    I hope HC&S gets shut down and fined for all the environmental damage they have caused. I was born and raised on Maui and never liked sugar cane smoke. Its not our culture, its sugar barron white culture that our people have been brainwashed into thinking is part of our culture. HC&S is not a Hawaiian company. They couldnt get our people to work as slaves for them so they imported all the Filipinos and Portuguese people to work as slaves. Just cause they pay you doesnt mean your not a slave. Getting rid of sugar cane off Maui would be the best thing ever. We need to grow other crops that are native to the island. Sugar is bad for you anyways. Local Hawaiian families who support the sugar business dont know their history.

  • SimpleAsThat

    Want to stop the smoke? Ever heard of Erin Brockovich? Do the research, follow her lead, done deal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000289423888 Chris Profio

    So, even HC&S agrees with we anti-cane burning folks that their long-term future will be in growing “feedstock” for biofuels, and NOT in growing/burning cane, but of course they are vague about when this might actually happen. So much for the cane-burning-is-a-precious-cultural-icon argument. In any event, that’s an expedient and self-serving statement, HC&S. I’ll believe you when I actually see that change you’re talking about.

  • Sherri

    Just what we need right now, stop cane burning and have more people on unemployment. Does anybody think about all the people who’s jobs depend on the cane burning?

    • Tropix

      Did you ever think that cane can be harvested while green and not burned? We like to see green on our island but that doesn’t mean it HAS to be sugarcane. It’s Agriculture land so we should grow something else, isn’t that how our neighbor islands do it? Keep jobs that way and everyone can get along.

      • Pico

        So what should HC&S grow instead of cane?

        • Jacinto

          Really?? You dont know what to grow in the fertile ground of Maui?? And you claim to be from here. You no dakine, true dat.

          • Pico

            Sorry, cane land is not fertile without soil amendments. And from your last sentence, no, they cannot grow marijuana instead of cane.

  • Barry

    I don’t understand all this arguing. Why can’t they just harvest the cane by different means. This will keep the jobs and be better for the environment. Am I missing something?

    • KaiWahine

      Your missing that locals are trying to turn this into a Haole issue so that anyone local can get behind the defense of this pollution in the name of culture and their best rebuttal is “go home haole”, which is a sham. Burning sugar cane is not a cultural practice. Its a business.

    • Pico

      Basically, transitioning to no-burn is expensive. Kind of like asking landscape companies to not use air blowers to remove leaves. Can be done, but will be more expensive to hire more labor to remove leaves manually.

      • Gern’s Mother

        I bet the pending lawsuits are going to be even more expensive. lol.

        • Pico

          Yes, more expensive for everyone, defendants and plaintiffs.

  • Another Maui Transplant

    Bottom line is if you wanted quality of life, find it where there is no smoke, ash, etc. that you claim causes asthma!!! I made a choice to move here over 30 years ago and live with our existing community and businesses and have never had asthma. If I didn’t like what I saw, I would leave and you have that same opportunity. Don’t change our lives for because you don’t like what has been here for decades!

  • LIGHT MY FIRE

    LET IT BURN :)) LET IT BURN ;)) LET IT BURN :)) FiRe fIrE FIRE So pretty LOL LOL LOL. !))

  • Hey you all

    Looks to me that there’s more people’s saying that they really don’t mind that HC&S keeps on with their burning the cane SO, LEAVE IT AS THAT !!!!!!! HOW E.Z.

    • KCardwell

      I havent seen the results of a survey yet. Can we put it to a vote in the next election? Where do you get your data from. Please post source. Mahalo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1052456790 Marc Jaslow

    Sugar is a dying breed here on the island! you can buy cheaper anywhere else in the world! Plant something that is beneficial and more eco friendly to the island and it’s people!

  • Hey you all

    Looks to me that there’s more people’s saying that they really don’t mind that HC&S keeps on with their burning the cane SO, LEAVE IT AS THAT !!!!!!! HOW E.Z.

  • Marty

    These comments are for just entertainment and does nothing on the issue. Nothing! Same with holding signs to protest, 8,000+ signatures, etc. Does nothing to change! Typing words to blow off steam may be helpful to the person doing the typing, and may stir up emotions within others reading those words, but it doesn’t go beyond that. And so, keep on typing. It’s good exercise for the fingers and brain, and even provides humor once in a while. Thank you all for being participants!!!

  • Dakine

    Your Right!! Lahaina is constantly on fire since they stopped their cane burning!!!! Oh the insanity!!! Btw, you have monsters under your bed too.

  • keepitgreen

    Karen,
    Since you have not answered any of our quesions posted to you. I found some stuff on the internet for you.
    for lung cancer
    You could have been exposed to carcinogens decades ago, and many people with lung cancer cannot easily remember these exposures. Even if you are or have been a smoker, or if you have never smoked, you may be entitled to compensation. Call us at 1-800-998-9729 to determine if and where you came into contact with hazardous materials that could have increased your risk for lung cancer.
    for Asthma
    The exact cause of asthma isn’t known. Researchers think some genetic and environmental factors interact to cause asthma, most often early in life. These factors include:
    An inherited tendency to develop allergies, called atopy (AT-o-pe)Parents who have asthmaCertain respiratory infections during childhoodContact with some airborne allergens or exposure to some viral infections in infancy or in early childhood when the immune system is developing
    If asthma or atopy runs in your family, exposure to irritants (for example, tobacco smoke) might make your airways more reactive to substances in the air.
    Some factors might be more likely to cause asthma in certain people than in others. Researchers continue to explore what causes asthma.

    So please stop reposting 800 jobs VS 1 asthma death a yearor what ever number you use. If you stuck on saving lives go protest against car dealers

    This is a list of motor vehicle deaths in the United States by year. On average in 2009, 93 people were killed on the roadways of the U.S. each day.
    The number of deaths – and deaths relative to the total population – have declined over the last two decades. From 1979 to 2005, the number of deaths per year decreased 14.97% while the number of deaths per capita decreased by 35.46%. Traffic fatalities in 2010 were the lowest in 62 years.
    Astma deaths per year info comes for CDC
    Every day in America:
    44,000 people have an asthma attack. 36,000 kids miss school due to asthma. 27,000 adults miss work due to asthma. 4,700 people visit the emergency room due to asthma. 1,200 people are admitted to the hospital due to asthma. 9 people die from asthma.
    Too many people have asthma
    The number of people with asthma continuesto grow. One in 12 people (about 25 million,or 8% of the population) had asthma in 2009,compared with 1 in 14 (about 20 million, or 7%)in 2001.
    to grow. One in 12 people (about 25 million,
    or 8% of the population) had asthma in 2009,
    compared with 1 in 14 (about 20 million, or 7%)
    in 2001.More than half (53%) of people with asthma hadan asthma attack in 2008. More children (57%)than adults (51%) had an attack.More than half (53%) of people with asthma had
    an asthma attack in 2008. More children (57%)
    than adults (51%) had an attack.185 children and 3,262 adults died from asthmain 2007.185 children and 3,262 adults died from asthma
    in 2007.◊◊About 1 in 10 children (10%) had asthmaand 1 in 12 adults (8%) had asthma in 2009.Women were more likely than men and boysmore likely than girls to have asthma.◊About 1 in 10 children (10%) had asthma
    and 1 in 12 adults (8%) had asthma in 2009.
    Women were more likely than men and boys
    more likely than girls to have asthma.About 1 in 9 (11%) non-Hispanic blacks of allages and about 1 in 6 (17%) of non-Hispanicblack children had asthma in 2009, thehighest rate among racial/ethnic groups.About 1 in 9 (11%) non-Hispanic blacks of all
    ages and about 1 in 6 (17%) of non-Hispanic
    black children had asthma in 2009, the
    highest rate among racial/ethnic groups.The greatest rise in asthma rates was amongblack children (almost a 50% increase) from2001 through 2009.The greatest rise in asthma rates was among
    black children (almost a 50% increase) from
    2001 through 2009.

    • Pico

      Asthma is bad, but there has been no evidence to show that cane smoke CAUSES asthma. With the increase in asthma rates, we should look at what we are exposed to in the environment. Maybe something in the clothes of children, maybe in the toys that kids put in their mouths, maybe the detergents. So many things could be the cause, yet no smoking gun. That includes cane smoke.

  • Pico

    What is the scientific evidence that cane smoke causes asthma? Can someone answer this question?

  • Pico

    I remember the previous general manager of HC&S saying that if cane stopped, animal farming would be an option. If you think cane burning is bad, you really don’t want to be down-wind of livestock!

  • Pico

    Okay, so if I start a petition to ban smoking because second-hand smoke impacts my health, would the tobacco companies shut down their operations?

  • LongLongTime Resident

    Too bad pineapps pretty much died out. Now THAT was a good, booming crop at one time. Lots of jobs, no smoke, and so ono.

    • Pico

      Take a look at the Maui Gold Pineapple Company up in Haliimaile. Good fruit while keeping the land green.

  • Pico

    If HC&S stops growing cane and keep the land as agriculture, what should HC&S grow? I would like to hear suggestions.

    • LailaniB

      Palm. Great for renewable energy and is beautiful.

      • Pico

        Palm. Has anyone done a feasibility study? Has the return on investment for a palm industry been estimated? My questions would be the same for any crop suggested. Bet y that HC&S has already done these studies. There is a reason why they haven’t transitioned to alternate crops.

  • PaulH

    Oh, another intrusion into the history, culture and “feel” of Hawaii. More and more mainlanders want Hawaii and particularly Maui, to look and feel like the mainland. When that happens we tourists who come to Hawaii for Hawaii will stop coming. Happens on the mainland too. Outsiders move next to a farm, then complain about farm odors. Dont like to smoke (visual evidence of historic Hawaii) dont live in the shadow of a farm. I have been coming to Maui for 24 years. Dont particlarly like the growing mainland atmosphere.

  • island traveler

    For those who want to make this an issue about “moving here” from somewhere else and thus should accept cane burning as an island way of life. As a “local” born and raised, Hawaiian/Chinese, parents born here, grandparents born here, great grandmothers family traced to King Kamehameha. I’ll speak for myself as a “local”. I DON’T SUPPORT CANE BURNING. And I also resent the implication that raising health concerns as it relates to cane burning is just from malahini or new comers/transplants to Maui. It is not!!! And NO, I don’t need to “Blame My Realtor”.
    My grandfather worked for HC&S as a teenager and retired from there. So I understand the mindset of those 800 workers who believe that there jobs “may” be at risk if can burning stops. But who is saying that those 800 jobs are at risk? HC&S???? Their Union representatives???? Is it based on Fact or just an attempt to play on the FEARS of those workers. Whatever the case may be. It is unfair to both the HC&S workers and those against cane burning to pit one against the other in that way.
    Are there ALTERNATIVES to burning? Are cleaner alternatives being used in other countries? YES there are! Can those alternatives just as easily be implemented here? YES, it can! So the question now becomes HOW it’s implemented and WHEN it will take affect. The powers that be at HC&S should have been looking into and taking the steps necessary to move in that direction years ago. But there seems to be resistance to it. Is the real issue because it is Cost-Prohibitive and thus much cheaper to burn? What are those reasons?
    The fact remains that poplulation growth in Maui will never decrease. We already see it with developments such as Maui Lani, Kehalani, the planned Waiale Project. From Kihei to Upcountry and elsewhere both transplants and “locals” like myself have fulfilled that dream of home ownership in a number of these new developments. I live in Kehalani in Wailuku and we are definitely affected by the cane burning from upcountry not to mention when it’s even closer like in Kahului. The wind carries all the way here and we wake up to those noxious fumes. Is it fair to my children’s health? Is it fair to yours? Is it fair to me and hundreds of other asthmatics. Should we as a community just have to “live with it” because it’s part of our “culture” and island history OR are there Alternatives that keeps cane growing in Maui for the next hundred years while also providing jobs and most important, a HEALTHIER, CLEANER Maui. I say, there is if the powers that be choose to make it so. I AM A MAUIAN and I have the right to breathe clean air. And NO, I’M NOT MOVING!

    • Pico

      People become upset with cane smoke because it is visible and the issue is a lightning rod. Still, no scientific evidence to tease out the health effect of cane smoke vs. vog vs. vehicle exhaust, which we are all exposed to simultaneously.

      Too bad people are not more passionate about banning tobacco (leading to cancer in the person as well as people exposed to second-hand smoke), and sweetened beverages (leading to obesity, diabetes, etc). These chronic diseases affect up to a third of the population, and results in the increase in healthcare cost which affects ALL of us.

      • island traveler

        Cane smoke is “man made” while Vog is not. Vog like that of a Hurricane, Tornado, Tsunami, Flood, Avalanche, Severe Rain Storms and the like is an Act of God. Like Vog, Cane Smoke is equally dangerous. But with new advancements in technologies which is currently available today and in use in other countries to harvest cane. The very same can be done here. So the pressing question is, WHY isn’t it being used here. Cost? What are those reasons for not moving toward greener alternatives? As of yet, HC&S has FAILED to comment on those particulars.
        As far as tobacco is concerned. The State of Hawaii because of growing protests to protect peoples right to breathe clean air/exposure to second-hand smoke has joined the rest of the country in enacting No-Smoking Laws. Clearly vehicle exhaust is unseen but there is a movement towards the use of vehicles with cleaner emissions and more importantly becoming less dependant on fossil fuels.
        So while we as a society moves in the direction of Clean Energy, Clean Air and Water, corporations like HC&S can also be a leader in this cause instead of making excuses to keep the satus quo.

        • Pico

          I have no problem with a company changing practice to become more efficient, or to realize a greater ROI. Don’t you think HC&S would have made changes if no-burn harvesting and processing would result in lower operational cost or greater profit?

          Until government enacts laws to ban cane burning, the company will continue with curent practices or until it becomes profitable in a no-burn operations. And government won’t enact laws because people say the company should stop cane burning. Government will enact laws when it can be shown that there is a negative impact on the community, both public and/or environmental health. Saying “Stop burning because I want you to stop burning” or “Cane burning caused my respiratory problem” is not enough. You need hard, scientific data that shows a negative impact on the community. Until then, any judge would rule against the protest.

  • Just sayin….

    Incest used to be legal too.


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