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Developer Hopes for Resolution on Kihei Malls

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   February 15th, 2013 · 40 Disqus Comments ·
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Eclipse Development image of the planned development area.

By Wendy Osher

The impacts of Hawaii’s Land Use Commission decision last week against the proposed Kihei Malls in South Maui has drawn public comment from the project developer.

The “Kihei Malls” development includes Piilani Promenade North (shopping mall), Piilani Promenade South (shopping center), Honua’lua (residential) (aka Wailea 670) plus related projects.

Douglas Gray, president and CEO of Eclipse Development Group LLC, developers of the Piilani Promenade, today expressed concern over the anticipated lay offs that contractors say are being imposed as a result of the ruling.

“I am disappointed at the decision of the LUC and saddened at the impact on the jobs of workers who were slated to begin the grading and infrastructure work for the project. It is my hope that we can quickly come to a resolution that will put people back to work and create up to 1,800 jobs when the promenade is completed,” Gray said in a media statement today.

“Unfortunately, the economy continues to grow at a rate that is not producing enough jobs. This project, when completed, will keep the economy of Maui moving forward and help families pay for their rent and mortgages, make car payments, buy groceries, obtain medical care and meet other expenses that must be paid for everyday,” he added in the statement.

The LUC issued the decision saying the project was in violation of a 1995 order, and outlined three alleged violations of conditions.

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  • Maui_Mike

    I am all for open space and regulating development, but this project provided jobs, made the high school a reality and the much needed upcountry connector road, I hope the public will rally in support of this project, it’s mainland opponents and local environmentalists groups are dead wrong on this.

    • Jennie

      This comment sounds like Eclipse doing their PR work.

      • babalui

        This comment sounds like Maui Tomorrow and the KCA doing their PR work.

        • usbworks

          Damn, I usually don’t agree with you but this time babalui you got it right.

      • Maui_Mike

        I can understand you saying that, but since it is completely true I stand by my statement, all those benifits are contingent on this project, I have volunteered time to Maui tomorrow and support regulating over development, but this is truly different in many aspects.

  • Rebecca

    Suddenly the developer cares about the people of Maui? Give us a break! He cares about losing millions from his bad investment! Nobody wants more minimum wage jobs. Instead, support out small businesses on South Kihei road! There are already too many vacant stores, we dont need more!

  • KiheiGirlBORNandRAISED

    For the last damn time, will SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE THESE “SMALL BUSINESSES” ARE??? I’m born and raised in Kihei, lived here ALL MY LIFE, and the only SMALL BUSINESSES I see went out of business YEARS AGO!

    • oasis jim

      Check out locally owned Aloha Boards Skate Shop on Lipoa and Del Sol Mexican Mart next store, or how about Elise Clothing also on Lipoa. South Maui Bicycles and all kine good local stores by Kalama park. Local pet supply store and fishing supply store in Azekas. Great pet shop and locally owned bikini shop in Kukui Mall. Just to name a few favorites :)

      • babalui

        LOL. NONE of those shops would be in direct competition with the new mall. Not a single one. I really think people should educate themselves on which tenets were lined up for this mall.

        • dondonsurvelo

          So please list the tenants since you know who they will be. I can tell you that they will be 2nd and 3rd tier retail tenants and if it is a true outlet mall then the things for sale will be all the stuff that did not sell last year on the mainland. Just what we need.

          • KiheiGirlBORNandRAISED

            News Flash, regardless of what items they sell, HAWAII is behind the mainland. Seriously! I have the perfect example. I went on a trip to Arizona and of course went shopping. I had bought a shirt from HOT TOPIC in the mainland (we have a Hot Topic in Queen Kaahumanu Center) When I got home from my trip, I went to Hot topic on Maui, wearing the shirt that I had bought. The Manager proceeded to ask me where I got the shirt from, and I told him Hot Topic on the Mainland. Thinking to myself, maybe he thought I stole it, I pulled out my saved receipt. He got confused at first but then he caught on what I was trying to do. He said, he did not know that Hot Topic even sold the shirt I was wearing. Time passed and I returned to the Kaahumanu store wearing the same shirt and again the Manager came up to me. (Mind you, this was almost 4 months later) he told me they just got the shirt that I was wearing in inventory that day. He also said, that regardless of what kind of store it is on Maui, we don’t get in the merchandise that they sell on the Mainland at the same time. On a side note, this has happened to me about six times this year from different retailers.

            Secondly, I’d rather have outlet prices, which lets face it are a hell of a lot cheaper than have the utmost LATEST trend for double the price. I’ve been to outlet malls on the mainland, and it never felt like I was being judged for buying an outlet mall item.

            By the way, you want to talk of things that the Mainland sends us that they don’t want? Lets try the homeless people.. I’m pretty sure that is a more serious topic than buying an outlet store purse..

        • KiheiGirlBORNandRAISED

          THANK YOU!!!!! I completely agree with you! We should get together and start our own community group!

      • KiheiGirlBORNandRAISED

        Elise Clothing store is a consignment operation, not an outlet mall store. South Maui Bicycles, Aloha Boards Skate Shop, Fishing Supply, Pet Supply, Bikini Shop, all specialty boutiques and again no competition to the mall. Del Sol Mexican Mart? seriously? I think not..

    • Random Jak

      Hawaiian Moons Natural Foods has been supporting the local economy since 1994, providing jobs, paying taxes, and supporting local product creators and local farmers. Not saying the mall is bad, just saying that there are plenty of small businesses still here. :)

      • KiheiGirlBORNandRAISED

        Hawaiian Moons is a grocery and holistic medicine store. Yes you may consider it a small business but it’s not going to suddenly go out of business if the mall is built. Thank you for mentioning that as I do not patron that store (kind of pricy).

        • Random Jak

          Ok, I was just commenting on the statement that there are no small businesses left in Kihei. So I should have read your statement as “there are no small businesses in Kihei that can possibly be affected by the new mall”. So we are in agreement that there are plenty of small retail businesses in Kihei, personal shopping habits aside. Whether or not any of these businesses would be affected by the new development remains to be seen in the future- and I have looked for a tenant list, but cannot find one… just wish lists. :)

        • Random Jak

          Either way, new developments will happen- it’s the way of our world. If there is a need, it will happen eventually. Just follow the rules, though.

  • oasis jim

    Just to clarify, the retail project has nothing to do with the High School. They are completely separate projects with separate entrances, intersections, infrastructure, zoning, timelines, etc. It would be great to see the construction jobs get filled by working on the High School.

    • Maui_Mike

      I’m not saying you are completely wrong, but the mall project was to develop the infrastructure and road for the high school, but you are right, it is a separate project albeit one dependent on the other. No mall likely equals no high school.

      • Bablui

        Actually, the mall development was not only going to pay for the water infrastructure needed for the high school, they were going to pay for all the traffic upgrades as well as build out the intersection at the junction of the up-country road.

        • Maui_Mike

          Yes, I am aware of that, and it sounded like a good deal for everyone to me.

      • No Can

        I don’t think it will equal no high school but I think it’ll make it harder to build the high school just because the infrastructure that was going to already be in place with the outlet mall is no longer there.

        • Maui_Mike

          I hope you are right, and I still hope a fair resolution can be reached to restart this important project.

          • Clyde56

            It seems that the general public doesn’t realize that it is the State’s and County’s responsibility to provide for all that is needed for a new high school, period. The developer, whether required to or not, had assumed some of this responsibility conditioned upon “approval” of the megamall project. The developer was also responsible to comply with or satisfy conditions attached to the property. They did not, so the megamall, as of today, is a no go. So please, please stop crying and grumbling, and DO NOT point fingers at and blame the interveners. They are right; it is what it is. Developer, if it so chooses, may go back and re-design to comply with said conditions, or go through whatever available process of requesting changes to those conditions. Okay?

          • Maui_Mike

            I think you sell the general public short, I think most people understand the mechanics of the situation quite well, and there is no need to point fingers at the interveners, they proudly called this a victory for them (and Maui), but I disagree with their interpretation of victory, they are spoilers at best, I do not believe the developer circumvented the rules since they had already established approval for the project.

          • MurpheyT

            Maui_Mike, I think that whenever someone calls you out on your comments and you realize that perhaps you were somewhat overzealous and too fast with your fingers, you backpedal and quickly respond such to coverup, deflect, and “re-write” your “thoughts” (“that’s not what I meant, yadda, yadda”). That’s what happens when you don’t think before you pull the trigger. And, yeah, it’s quite obvious that you either don’t have a job, are pretending to work while on the job, or are retired as you are probably sitting 24/7 staring at some screen just waiting and waiting for the chance to drop your dungload and then feel good about yourself. Make yourself useful instead of blathering off your “wisdom”………….

          • Maui_Mike

            I have been consistent in my opinion on this project, however, I admit I am known to change my mind after learning new information, I use this forum for its intended purpose, others like you only use it to ridicule others, I suspect it makes you feel smart to do so, that is your prerogative and I could care less.
            I will say this, I work from home and often respond on my iPhone when I’m out and about….if that matters, mahalo for your unusual interest in my inner workings and motivation or lack of.

  • BigIsleBoy

    STAND UP, SPEAK OUT!! The REAL LOCALS of Kihei deserve all the benefits of the Outlets!!

    And sorry to all who may or have lost their jobs because of these TERRIBLE transplants!!

  • KiheiGirlBORNandRAISED

    I wish we could, I have tried as well as many of us to protest against the opposition of this project. I have been to meetings, gave testimony about 3 times and still nothing. A lot of us are not able to speak out because they hold these hearings while most of us have to work. So, there lacks the voice.. The activists groups that are opposing this project have way more money than we do, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE RETIRED!! We have to work for our living and they don’t need to. They don’t care about the next generation, all they care about is the “peacefulness to their retirement!”

    • No Can

      It’s hard to fight these people. They are rich and in some cases well connected. Look at this guy Hyde, ex CEO retired from California. They get all the environmentalists riled up and following their cause but they’ve got a hidden agenda and it’s not Maui. Don’t be fooled people.

  • I love dis

    Wait a minute peeps… Aren’t they goin to raise water price due to drought. We got water issues right now and upcountry been having that for years and now the whole island will be pay for. That’s ok yeah to build. Worry about the problem later on. Main thing we develop first…. Hurry up and do it so we can pay the price for the blind minded people who wants this. Let the guys who want the mall to build grumble again. What a dumdum……

    • HarryO

      As you mentioned water, anyone know if the developer had complied with the “show-me-the-water” requirement?

  • I love dis

    Building the mall will be high class store. Their wont be any reasonable store in dea. Just another wailea store that only good for tourist……. What a Bunch of bull.

    • usbworks

      Apparently you’ve never shopped at the outlet stores at Waikele on Oahu. They’re not for tourists. They’re killer prices for kamaaina. We usually fly twice a year to Oahu to shop for us and the kids.

  • I love dis

    Read somebody’s comment that they goin drill for water but the state and county couldn’t do that too.

  • elwood p dowd

    …golly………..one would think eclipse is only pursuing the malls as a self-less benevolent act……..clearly mr gray believes Hawaiians are naive……or perhaps he believes we’re dumb……….

  • Malama Makena

    The developer was given all the rights to build in 1995, but never built anything. No jobs. Instead, they sold it to another developer who also never built anything. No jobs. Then they sold it to another Mainland developer. But the third developer wanted to build something very different from what was approved in 1995. So the Hawaii State Land Use Commission ruled that this third developer is not in compliance with the agreements of 1995 and cannot build what they planned. Still no jobs. And you think it is “terrible transplants” who are at fault here??

    • Clyde56

      So, what is your point?

  • usbworks

    I read that story. This Mark Hyde is a real creep.

  • Dakine

    Wow. Whatta scum bag


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