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Swim Zones to be Enforced at Ka’a Point Over Safety Concerns

By David Kvasnicka

A kite surfer appears to be heading for the break in the rockwall at Ka'a Point, as children play nearby. Photo courtesy of Philip Botek.

A kite surfer appears to be heading for the break in the rockwall at Ka’a Point where a person is swimming (click to enlarge). Photo courtesy of Philip Botek.

The state Department of Land and Natural Resources today told Maui Now that it would enforce swimming zones at Ka’a Point, following public concerns that kite surfers were endangering beachgoers.

The concerns were highlighted in a letter published on Maui Now on May 3, which claimed that the kite surfers were endangering children and that they sought to “escalate the issue into a physical altercation” when encountered, according to the letter’s author, Philip Botek. Botek also provided photographic evidence of kiters surfing in the area near beachgoers.

The letter received much community support, but also heated disagreement from kite surfers in Maui Now’s forum. Some kite surfers claimed that using the “fishpond” area of Ka’a Point was both legal and safe.

In a letter response to Botek published May 7, kite surfer Randolph Coon said it was false and unfair to “categorize a whole user group as showing ‘blatant disregard… for other beach users, in particular kids.’” Coon claimed that kite surfers were equally concerned with the safety of children and were “quick to identify unsafe practices” in his justification for using the “fishpond” at Ka’a Point as a launching and landing area.

Rules stipulating where the swimming zone lies and the restrictions on vessels. Document provided by DLNR (cropped for easier viewing).

Rules stipulating where the swimming zone lies and the restrictions on vessels. Document provided by DLNR (cropped for easier viewing).

In an email, DLNR Chairperson William J. Aila said, “There are existing swim zone areas and rules for the Ka‘a Point / Kanaha Beach Park and the rules will be enforced.”

Attached in the email was the state’s document with the rules pertaining to what constituted a “swimming zone” and where the use of ocean vessels were prohibited.

The document identifies the Ka’a Point area as “Swimming Zone C” and that it is “designated for swimming only. No person shall operate a vessel or sailboard within these zones.”

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  • Maui_Mike

    Seems fair to me that the area already designated as a swimming area should be free of kite/wind surfers.

    • stand alone

      Go and
      Read about of flying anything around near any airport. About aviation/ traffic controllers disturbance. and aloud distances from any airport.

      • Maui_Mike

        That is essentially true, but an agreement was reached and a waiver issued years back to allow kite surfers in that area with certain conditions attached.

      • usbworks

        Kite beach and the Ka’a pond are pretty far downwind from the Kanaha airport. The FAA has banned kiting at Sprecks and Uppers near the airport. Still there are a half dozen kiters who routinely ignore that restriction. But at least they don’t endanger kids in a designated swimming area to show off their jumping skills to the people on the sand. That’s not just wrong. It’s blatant disregard for others safety.

  • Steve Sadler

    With mutual resect, and common courtesy, we share the world. Without, we are selfish and fight.

    • Michelle

      Steve, we have always been open to civil conversation with you and maintained a high level of respect for you despite our varying views. We largely disagree on many points yet have always been able to have open conversations that did not include name calling or vulgarity; this is why we were quite disheartened when we read some of your posts in which you made some bold statements that held no truth.

      I do agree with your.above post, and yet I do have a different view on it (who is guilty of not displaying the mutual respect and common courtesy). I am proud to have stood by my principles and to have fought for something that I knew to be wrong.

      We know we will continue to see each other at Ka’a Point and unfortunately now it is unlikely there will be even a casual “hi” exchanged.
      The most unfortunate part, however, is how easily this could have been avoided had the community of kiters displayed the same mutual respect and common courtesy you spoke of; if not to fellow beach users then at least to the law.

      • bu la’ia

        You wont last long at Ka’a. Pretty sure of it.

        • Maui_Mike

          That sounds like a veiled threat to me, how very brave of you, you are looking very stupid to all who read this, and that is some consolation in itself.

    • Maui_Mike

      With all due respect Steve, you come away looking two faced and disingenuous in your failed effort to mediate, your motivation and agenda are unclear to me, but your loyalty to a group who are clearly in the wrong speaks for itself, the rule of law is clear, the kiters should not have been in the pond to begin with.
      The court of public opinion overwhelmingly sides with the families using the area not the selfish kiters who have shown no respect or regard, and the words spoken by them in this forum only serve to prove that to be true

      • Steve Sadler

        What is your interest in this debate Mike? You’re quick to speak on a subject you know little about, draw uninformed conclusions in your court of public opinion. Who made you the judge? Mediation requires both parties come to discuss a subject. I offered, Michelle isn,t interested in talking, only taking.

        • Maui_Mike

          Simply put, it is a human interest story, I am human and I am interested…. It is very easy to see who is right in this, and more importantly who is wrong, being that kiters should not have been in the pond to begin with they were wrong, as are you, just because someone gets by doing something wrong for years does not make it acceptable.
          You sound bitter, that is the sound of a sore loser, I have no dog in this fight, but I do however have an opinion…..I guess that is not ok with you though, so sorry.

          • usbworks

            It doesn’t look like they’re ready to throw in the towel just yet.

          • Maui_Mike

            That’s their prerogative, and they can utilize democracy and try to make change if they wish, I can respect that, but under the current rules they are wrong, I have a feeling Steve would find my opinion relevant if it were in line with his own…he seems to not understand what this forum is for, the same as he does not understand that the beach is not a privately owned place for kiting.

          • Balco

            It is the non-kiters that are going to have to make rule changes, cause as the law states, kiteboards are not included as they are not sailboards nor are they vessels. So, the ball is literally in the their court. If they want to change the law, they are welcome to it. But as it stands today, kitboards are not included in the law.

          • Konamax

            Hawaii State law says no kitesurfing in and around the fish pond at Ka’a Point – unsure what the kiters are having a hard time about, the law has been in place for a long time to protect the other beach users from the dangers of kitesurfing. The kiters continue to argue, harrass, threaten and most importantly, not obey Hawaii State law.

          • Brian

            No it doesn’t

          • Konamax

            Mr. David Kvasnicka – From Brians postings it appears your article above is wrong. Could you again please contact the Hawaii State DLNR and re-write the article as you as well as many of us thought that your article above stated the area around Ka’a Point is a swim only zone.

          • Brian

            Your completely crazy and read whatever you want into anything but fine if it is a swim zone only can you please ask your kid to stop taking his boogie board vessel into it? Can they issue a ticket to 4 year old?

          • Konamax

            If you feel threatened by this 4 year old and his boogie board swimming in the pond – I would suggest that you contact the proper authorities – unsure if they can ticket a 4 year old, but we will let them decide that.

          • Brian

            It has nothing to do with feeling threatened it’s the law remember? Your 4 year old is breaking it. Your son is a law breaker. And FYI when DLNR approached me about your complaint I mentioned your son who was currently in the swim zone with a boggie board. That is when they walked away.

          • Konamax

            If you feel that my son is breaking the law – I would suggest you call the proper authorities. Also, to give you a heads up when you make the call to the authorities – I dont think boogie boards are classified as vessels but as a swim toy. I could be wrong though, so I think you would be better off to call this one in and let the authorities make that judgement.

          • jujubee

            Well done! The funny thing is, I have actually kited on a boogie board. I think I will blow Kona-douche-max’s mind and surf one through the pond. He wont know what to do since its not a kiteboard, nor a sailboard, but a boogie board. :)

          • Balco

            Nope.

        • Maui_Mike

          The court of public opinion does not require me to be a judge, the public fills that role, and they have overwhelmingly said the kiters were in the wrong, what’s more is that so does the law, and you suggest Michelle play your game of more pointless talking when it is obvious you have no authority or influence in the matter, so as they say, talk is cheap and action speaks louder than words. Your ego and self serving wants were at the forefront most obviously.

  • Balco

    Sounds like kiting will still be allowed at Ka’a Point, just not inside the break water. Sounds good. I guess the effort to ban kiting at Ka’a failed. Good to know. :)

    • Maui_Mike

      You obviously are unable to grasp the issue at hand, no one was trying to ban kiting, only to make the kiters stay out of the fishpond and obey the existing law, with that now being implemented I would call it a clear win for family beach users.

    • wind into one ear out theother

      Obviously you are one of the many people that has no respect for others. other then your own needs. And thinks that you’re better than everyone else. Well, you are not you’re just another water log head. You should read and understand the others concerns. And respect them. IDIOT……

  • usbworks

    Excellent news. The fish pond is for swimmers only. Kiters are free to use the rest of the Kite Beach area.

    • good boy

      WOW, you can read. And you understood. I wish the others would…..

      • usbworks

        You’re late to the party. If you had READ the two previous articles and the heated debate, then you would have UNDERSTOOD that most of us beach users just wanted to protect swimmers in the pond from high speed kiters showing off. We never desired for a ban to kiting at that beach.

  • Maui_Mike

    It is abundantly clear that some of the kite boys are nothing more than self righteous immature idiots, the comments many of them have made speak volumes as to their total lack of respect and character, at least now everyone knows it and they will be held accountable from here on.

    • Balco

      If only your opinion mattered. But, it doesnt. Meh.

      • Maui_Mike

        And that is your opinion, and I equally could not care less what you may or may not think of mine dimwit.

  • Konamax

    The letter I submitted to Mauinow on May 3rd was of question & concern. I was concerned about my 4 year old sons safety as he swam in the fish-pond due to the dangers created by the kiters – I questioned if this was legal as I was told the kiters were not to enter the pond by the Lifeguards and the opposite from the DLNR. Since posting the original letter we have since found out that there is in deed a law that prohibits kiters coming into the pond. The DLNR has since admitted a mistake was made and the law banning kites from the fish-pond will be enforced.

    I have nothing against kiting, just adhere to the laws that are already in place. Even the Maui Kite-Surfing Community spokesperson – Steve Sadler, mentioned in one of his comments to the original letter that stated “In fact Phil says he hopes that Max will kite when he’s old enough”. Even one step further is we allowed a younger kiter to take Max for a kite ride, this was the highlight of his day. This young man took our son out and obeyed all the laws of “common sense” – the kiting community knows this young man and the other kiters should commend him on his ethics & morals – in other words, learn from this young man! So I hope that the average responsible kiter can see that I was/am not against kiting but am trying as a parent to keep my son safe where the the law states he should be.
    Thank you to all for the positive, supporting comments.

    • Maui_Mike

      As a casual observer that was clear to me from the beginning, it is obvious that not all kiters are bad, but a few of them had no respect, it only takes one person to ruin things for many.
      In the end you are left with your dignity in tact, while the others have been exposed for who and what they stand for, and they are shameful to any reasonable individual who read their recent diatribe in this forum, fortunately they are a minority in the kiter community as a whole.
      Some simply have no moral compass.

      • Steve Sadler

        I wonder how kiters have shared this beach with so many local families for a dozen or more years without complaint, including 6 months with the Bolecks there every day. Until 4/23, when Michelle reprimands all kiters within 50′ of Max, who whether told to, as witnesses have said, or allowed to, at least, play in the only place where kiters can launch and land. Reprimand may be too kind of a description, as I interviewed several of those who suffered her wrath. Yell at someone, you will be answered in kind. Michelle was told by county council and DOBOR to contact Maui Kitesurfing Community, which I am a director for, and discuss the complaint. I personally invited her, but received no reply. We still speak civilly as of today at the beach, but she insists kiting be banned from the beach, even though MKC posted a sign today ” no kiting thru the pond when swimmers are present.” As far as public opinion goes, the image of kiting at 20 mph thru a group of kids is simply not even close. We use the downwind 10% where it is too deep and rocky for kids to use. We are approaching dry land so the brakes are on, and a 60′ iron wood tree separates kiters from non kiters. The gap itself has strong rip current that most parents are careful not to let their children near. I agree some kiters are arrogant in their approches and need to learn respect. There’s always someone in any crowd, that needs to learn respect.

        But to date no one has been injured, largely because local families and kiters share some common courtesy, respect for each other, and make room where it’s needed! Just as kids don,t wander into a soccer game, thru a horseshoe pit, or near teens throwing a football. The parents don’t let them. It,s disrespectful and a small child could get hurt.

        Phil states he wants Max to kite, but puts him in the landing zone on purpose to prove a point. To set up and photograph an accident involving Max. Shouldn’t he be teaching Max how to get along with rest of the world? Instead, it’s the rest of the world get out of my sandbox!

        • Konamax

          Steve, we have cringed everytime we seen a kite come into the fish-pond. It wasnt until I witnessed several heated confrontations between other beach users & the kiters that I questioned the legality of it. I hate to say it on here Steve, but you are a flat out liar.I have never directed my son into any kiters way and Max plays at the entire beach – not just your launch area. It will be very hard to have any further dialog with you Steve as your lies to support the kiters shows how you would like to mediate.

          • Balco

            Heated confrontations you artificially created. Well done.

          • Maui_Mike

            The saying stupid is as stupid does comes to mind.

          • Konamax

            Actually, on one occasion I complimented the fisherman who confronted the kiters as his family and others were swimming in the pond. This local older gentleman told the dozen or so kiters in a “local Hawaiian way” not to enter the fish-pond again while people were swimming in there. The kiters then belittled him, which excited the fishman further, and by then another local person, as well as I, stood along the fisherman. When the fisherman and his family left the the man came over to my family and I and apologized for any language that may have offended our son. This mans integrity & character speaks volumes!!!

          • jujubee

            Did you guys hold hands and start chanting. lol. The funny thing is that local family has been coming to that spot for years have has never said a word about the kiters. You have a great effect on people.

          • Maui_Mike

            I’m sure you have figured out by now that you will not convince some of these idiots no matter what, this balco is a troublemaking troll who is on a mission to stir up an argument at any cost, I should not waste my time on him…

          • jujubee

            But, what about me? Will you waste any time with me? lol.

        • usbworks

          DLNR Chairperson William J. Aila did NOT say, “There are existing swim zone areas and a sign will be posted that there is no kiting through the pond when swimmers are present”. He said that the pond is for swimmers only and DLNR will enforce it.

          Are you and the MKC defying the DLNR ordinance?

          Is there a problem with restricting kiting to the rest of kite beach outside of the pond area?

          • Konamax

            Well said usbworks! Who are the MKC that they can manipulate laws that clearly say “NO SAILBOARDS ALLOWED IN THE POND” –

            Steve, who I respected very much and acknowledged that on here has now shown his true colors and where his allegiance lies. Not with law but with the law-breakers.

          • Balco

            Except, Kites arent sailboards. lol. This is almost getting comical. Thats like tell a bicyclist that there are no cars allowed on the sidewalk.

          • Maui_Mike

            Any vessel or sailboard would include kite boards lanebrain.

          • Balco

            This is not correct. According to the US Coast Guard, a kiteboard is considered a “water toy”. not a vessel. Hawaii State Law uses the USGC definition of a vessel. A kiteboard is also not a sailboard, cause it doesn’t have a sail.

          • Maui_Mike

            I usually try to take the high road and not argue with people in an immature fashion, but the DLNR has already spoken on this and the terminology may not specifically say kite board, but I can assure you it applies to them as they have already stated, it is obvious you are intellectually challenged so the distinction seems important to you, however, it is not.

          • Michelle

            I know, Maui_Mike, we have been avoiding responding in kind for some time now. These guys are unbelievable in their self-righteous attitudes and make it very difficult at times to refrain.
            I, personally, have been guilty tonight of lowering myself a bit and I am not proud of it. I won’t try to justify this but I will say that I will only be bullied so much until I begin responding.

          • Brian

            No they have not

          • Konamax

            Psst, psst, psst!!!
            Did you read the USCG documents posted by Michelle?

          • jujubee

            Pssst! Psssst! Psssst! we dont care.

        • Maui_Mike

          Actually your assertion that there were never complaints are untrue, I have it on good authority that the complaints were made by many, but there was no follow up, this time due diligence made the difference, your assertion that Max was purposely put in harms way by his parents is not believable at all, what motivation would anyone have to do such a thing….I don’t buy it.
          You seem fond of analogies, but truth, fairness and common sense seem to elude you in this particular case.

        • usbworks

          I beg to differ on your assertion that no complaints have been made during the last 12 years. I’m personally aware of about one complaint every year about kiter behavior. In one situation, a kiter cut off a group of practicing canoes and then harassed them. His big mistake was that one of the paddlers was an MPD police officer.

        • Michelle

          Steve – you received no response from me in regards to sitting down the MKC to discuss the complaints because the point became moot once the established law that designates the pond as a swim zone only and prohibits vessels or sailboards from entering was discovered.

          This law has been in effect for 20 years and I have to believe many of you older generation kiters have been aware of it all along, yet chose to ignore it, think it didn’t pertain to you, or thought you were above reproach and it would never be enforced. You flatter me by suggesting we had anything to do with the law, other than ensuring proper enforcement of it.

          In response to your continued lies about me and my family, I refuse to continue to offer rebuttal because in the end WE know the truth and it’s evident to many of the level-headed posters/readers here as well.

          I did tell you yesterday during our conversation that I had no interest in pretending to have a casual conversation with you in light of the blatant lies you have been telling; your response was that you prefer to keep the debating for on-line forums. This now makes sense as when you tell the lies on-line there is no immediate accountability for them. When I brought up your lies yesterday you had no response to them but instead chose to end the conversation, which tells me you could not own up to them in the face of the person they were being told about. This does not show much strength of character in my opinion.

          • Balco

            kiteboards are neither vessels nor sailboards. lol.

          • Maui_Mike

            Only a very stupid person would think that is a valid argument, it was written before kites came to popularity…..very weak.

          • Balco

            It actually is a fact and is valid. You cant create what a vessel is in your mind. A vessel is actually a legal definition when it comes to law. A kiteboards is NOT a vessel, just like a sailboard is NOT a vessel. If you want to enforce a law, it has to be enforceable. Its not our problem if the law is behind the times. Get the state to update their laws if you dont like it. The law is on our side at the moment.

          • Michelle

            Balco – I will again refer you to posts that contain links to the USCG website defining a kiteboard as a vessel.
            You again represent how the “kiters” refuse to think the law pertains to them in any way.

          • Maui_Mike

            He will argue with you if you say the sky is blue, that’s what he is here to do….period.
            He has nothing to add but childish playground mentality BS

  • Konamax

    While we were at Ka’a Point yesterday we were approached by the Director of the Maui Kitesurfing Community – Steve Sadler as well as the President of the Maui Kitesurfing Community – Joel Richman. Steve asked where I would like a no-kiting sign installed and as I was explaining to him that I dont kite and that he would be better off to make that assessment, Joel interjected with a confrontational tone – he ranted about how he has been coming here for 10 years and the last part of his rant being that we had better leave this beach quick. Steve apologized for Joels actions and installed his sign – Steve also mentioned that he would rather save all dialog for Mauinow and not debate on the beach.

    I wasnt going to post this comment, but when Steve Sadler comes on here and fabricates his version of events – I will reply with the actual happenings.

    • usbworks

      It might be necessary to organize a North Shore Beach Association to protect the interests of beach users. It doesn’t appear that these gentlemen on the MKA are about to let a DLNR ordinance stop them.

      • Konamax

        Seems odd doesnt it? Why would the MKC put up a sign that tells kiters to break Hawaii State law?

        The sign Steve installed yesterday says:
        No kiters thru the pond when swimmers are present.

        The DLNR law says:
        “The Kanaha Beach Park swim zones A, B, & C are designated for swimming only. No person shall operate a vessel or sailboard within these zones”.

        Swim zone “C” is the fish-pond and surrounding area at Ka’a Point.

        Why would the MKC encourage its members to break established Hawaii State laws?

        • Balco

          Kiteboards are not vessels nor sailboards. Thats why the law adds sailboards specifically to the law that includes vessels. Kiteboards are even less of a “vessel” than a sailboard. A sailboard will float you, a kite board will not. If you want to make a broad interpretation of what a vessel is, then any kind of blow up beach toy could be considered a vessel. If you want to change the law then have them add kiteboard to the law. As it stands, kiteboards are not inclunded. I spoke to a lawyer friend who is also a kiter and he did some research after our conversation and looked up the details. As the law stands today, kiteboards are not excluded from swim zones in Hawaii. He also offered to help any kiter having trouble with the county or state on this issue. You guys know who I am, so, let me know at beach if you have any problems. The US Coast Guard does not classify kiteboards as vessel but as a, and I quote, “a water toy”. A sailboard has the same classification and is why its called out specifically in the law in addition to a vessel.

          • Konamax

            Funny, I guess that is why we have seen the DNLR/DOBOR out at Ka’a Point for the last 4 days……
            Continue to violate Hawaii law and your lawyer friend can argue to get your gear returned!

          • Michelle

            I know this comment will take some time to show up since it includes a link, but here is the USCG’s determination of what a kiteboard is – and it is a vessel.
            I will follow up with some images of this determination in the meantime.

            http://www.uscgboating.org/assets/1/workflow_staging/Publications/479.PDF

          • usbworks

            Nice.

          • Michelle

            I have posted the link to the source of this information from the USCG, but because it is a link it must go through moderation and therefore will take some time to show up. Here are some images taken from the documents.
            The USCG has determined that a “kiteboard” is indeed a “vessel”.

          • usbworks

            The pond is a swim zone only. That is crystal clear in the DLNR ordinance. What a vessel is or isn’t will be irrelevant to enforcement.

          • Maui_Mike

            Read it and weep moron

        • Michelle

          It’s funny how everyone was quick to respond that a kiteboard was neither a vessels or sailboard until confronted with the fact that it is a vessel, per the USCG.

          As has been the M.O. of the supporters of the kiting community, they make a lot of claims here that they know to be false , yet once they are confronted with facts and documentation that proves them wrong they become conspicuously silent and begin the name calling and diversion tactics.

          I don’t fault them, in fact, I thank them because they are too arrogant in their statements to realize that what they are saying is subservient to their cause.

          • jujubee

            Sorry, we were busy actually kiting and enjoying Maui instead of sitting on a computer trying be a killjoy for others. You can enjoy posting away, but where the rubber meets the road, it will be meaningless. lol.

          • Michelle

            I hope you feel it as meaningless when your equipment is impounded, or hopefully, the handcuffs meet your wrists!

          • jujubee

            I will give you 10-1 that will never happen to me. :)

          • Michelle

            Doesn’t seem like very good odds, I’d rather bet on a horse named Tripod!

          • jujubee

            Hey, that was my nickname in college.

      • jujubee

        Good luck with that. Please do. Lets see if you can really dedicate your time to this. We would feel satisfaction enough to see you wasting your time trying to protect a pond from the big bad kiters. LOL. While we are out having fun surfing the wind and waves, you can stand by the pong with your arms crossed with a frown on your face. Good times.

        • Michelle

          We don’t need to protect it, THE LAW DOES!

          • jujubee

            Pretty sure you are going to be active protecting it. History has proven that. Enjoy your new volunteer position with the county.

          • Michelle

            If that is supposed to be a put-down you failed; it’s actually quite a compliment, that we are law-abiding citizens who seek to uphold the law for the protection of ourselves and others!

          • jujubee

            I dont know, was it? You should be proud. :)

          • Michelle

            Very proud!

    • Maui_Mike

      They seem to feel as if doing the wrong thing for years unfettered makes it ok, of course that is not the case, Steve has certainly demonstrated to everyone here what type of character he is, no reasonably intelligent person would find his argument plausible, nor believe his obvious lies about the situation.
      I hope you stand your ground and keep going to that beach, but be careful, these guys are proven to be a danger to others with an opinion different than their own.
      Aloha

      • Konamax

        Thank you Maui_Mike for the supporting comments – you seem to be much more knowledgable regarding the kiters attitudes and I appreciate your suggestions and support –
        Yes, we will continue to use the beach at Ka’a Point – unfortunately now not only do we have to worry about the kites but the threats made from the kiters –
        Thank you again -

        • Maui_Mike

          You are most welcome, one only need read the comments made in this forum by the kiters to see how unreasonable they are, and at least four people I know have been harassed by the kiters while they were SUP’ing.
          If they escalate this to another level they will go to jail, it’s that simple.
          Stay safe and again, Aloha!

          • Balco

            Maui Mike is an expert on all things if you read all his past posts on this forum. His opinions have no weight or value.

          • Michelle

            Just because somebody’s opinion differs from yours does not mean it holds no weight or value.
            I just don’t understand this way of thinking from you guys…. your attitudes epitomize the meaning of hubris.

          • Maui_Mike

            I am knowledgeable in many things, you are simply a troll with no opinion worth noting, I do not require you to agree or like it, your opinion is of no importance to me whatsoever. But feel free to think what you will of me, I will continue to not care in the least.

        • Steve Sadler

          After reading the posts by Fred, Konamax, Maui Mike, and usbworks, I see strong similarities in writing style, knowledge of information not posted here that only you Michelle could know. Strong evidence that these are all the same person. Perhaps we could all meet one day at Ka’a pt to discuss the issues? I,ve spoken to most of the kiters you,ve confronted, responsible parents, always safe. Accusations of lies and threats made by all these family people are part of your character, invented to create sympathy in readers who are uninformed. I could respond quote by quote and correct your inaccuracies, and worse, but won,t waste my time writing to you. You can’t be reasoned with, or interested in a civil discussion I,ve offered as recommended by DOBOR, and county council. So please continue your comments to yourself.

          • Konamax

            Steve, I am Philip and my wife posts as Michelle – We do not know who Maui_Mike or usbworks are. Nice try to re-direct, again.

            Steve, we have stuck to the topic at hand – Kiters breaking the law. On the other hand it has been the kiters who have tried every accusation they can fabricate up.

            If there are inconsistencies or inaccuracies in any of my posts – PLEASE point them out. I think you and all the readers will see that my wife and I have stayed on point – to the T.

            I wont waste my time writing either, all I have to do is copy & paste the inconsistencies from the kiting community including you. Steve, its easy – copy and paste my inaccuracies!

          • Michelle

            When I began posting on the original letter I signed in via Facebook, where my user name is Fred Garvin. This name, Fred, as used by a female, created a lot of comments that had nothing to do with anything “what’s up with a wife named Fred” and such, so I created an account on Maui Now using my real name, Michelle. So yes, Fred and Michelle are the same person, but since Michelle’s comments have began Fred’s have stopped. You know Philip is Konamax. I cannot speak for usbworks and Maui_Mike but I’m sure they will speak for themselves. I’m sorry you find it so hard to believe that we would have support from others in the community on this topic. Writing styles suggest a level of intelligence in the writer, so I guess you are saying the community is not intelligent enough to compose a well thought out and written comment. The fact is there are plenty of intelligent people in the community outside of yours.
            The DOBOR never once suggested to me that we sit and discuss this; you have claimed they told you that but have not been able to substantiate this, as we have on the other hand been able to substantiate everything. The county council suggested this when they were uninformed of the current law in place banning the behavior.
            Our discussions have remained civil through the course of this matter; if me telling you I am no longer interested in having a casual conversation with you because I cannot trust you and have lost the respect for you I once had is considered to be un-civil, then yes, I am guilty of that.

          • Maui_Mike

            Fred Garvin from the old SNL skit?…..I’m old enough to recall that!

          • Michelle

            You got it! Finally someone did….

          • Maui_Mike

            Fred Garvin: Male prostitute….lol!

          • Michelle

            Haha. I use FB to play games and when I was looking for a good user name my husband suggested this….

          • jujubee

            Perfect! Makes sense. Now you guys can form a circle get off on each other.

          • usbworks

            Jesus Christ Steve. The whole world is not against you. but if you keep up this paranoia you will antagonize an entire community of beach goers. That can’t possibly end well for the MKA or MKC.

            Just accept that Ka’a point is for swimmers only and educate as many kiters as you can. There will always be a few that will do what they want anyway.

          • Maui_Mike

            I can assure you that I have been posting here for years, I’m amused that you think we are all the same person, perhaps that’s only because of your blind ambition to be a hero to the rogue kiters and your obvious overinflated ego and self worth which is only eclipsed by your combination of indifference and arrogance, why anyone would want to sit down and talk to you is beyond me, you have no authority or ability to do anything helpful, rather you hoped to get your way, it is rather pathetic for such a “high acheiver” such as yourself…..though I have yet to read one cogent argument from you…that is no surprise to me though.

          • usbworks

            I’m not either Mike, Philip or Michelle. Maui_Mike and I have been on the Maui Now forum for some time and have occasionally disagreed, but I totally respect his opinion. I have never met Philip or Michelle, but I completely support their cause.

            I know several of the owners in the local windsurf and kitesurf businesses. I know many of their employees. I am friends with dozens of professionals in our community. I even know a few of the key members of the MKA.

          • Maui_Mike

            yes, we have disagreed a time or two!, But always in a fairly civil manner, and I too respect your opinion, even if it is different than my own. On this subject we are clearly in sync, I also have talked to kiters in the last few days, the consensus I get is one of support for Philip, Michelle, Max and any other beach goers, Steve does not speak for the majority from what I can tell.

    • Michelle

      Joel approached us, as we were sitting in our beach chairs, completely unprovoked. There was no greeting, but began in a very confrontational tone by saying “I hope you two are happy with yourselves, We’ve been coming here for 10 years with no problems and now you have to stir stuff up”, and ended as my husband said above with something about us getting off the beach.
      We were so taken aback by it that we could not even respond, which is probably better anyways as to have avoided the confrontation possibly escalating. There was another group of beach users sitting nearby whose attention was drawn by Joel’s rant as well.
      As Joel walked off I asked Steve “that’s Joel Richman, isn’t it?” He responded that it was and I said how pretty inappropriate his approaching us in that manner was considering he was a very well know figure in the kiting community. Steve said he wasn’t that big of a figure.
      In fact, Joel Richman is the President of the MKC and the current FAA Waiver Holder.
      The kiting community will always continue to try and justify or excuse each other’s behavior, no matter how inappropriate it may be.

      • usbworks

        Joel Richman is an attorney. How ironic that a lawyer ignores the law and threatens beach goers. You wouldn’t happen to have a recording would you?

        • Konamax

          I will have one next time!!
          Yes, we found out thru a simple Google search that Joel Richman is an attorney, the MKC President as well as the MKC waiver holder issued by the FAA.
          I will start documenting more of these confrontations to show without a doubt who is trying to “bully” the beach.

          • jujubee

            Ooooo, yes, secret record people. Awesome. Not sure you guys can ever enjoy the beach again, you will be too busy playing spy games. This has become more amusing than I ever imagined. :D Next time, btw, please try to get a photo of me. So far every photo you post, I am not in it. Im sure you can do better.

          • Konamax

            As mentioned, you know who I am, no hiding whatsoever. Please approach me and identify yourself as such. I will be happy to video you.
            PS: We have enjoyed the beach even more so the last few days. Thanks and please come out and enjoy it with us some time.

          • jujubee

            I was there all day today. Even went through the pond a few times. Didnt see anyone melt down even once. I guess all is still well in the world. lol.

          • Konamax

            Must have been prior to noon and after 3:00……..

          • Michelle

            We were there for a few hours today as well. The ONLY kiter we saw during this time was one that inflated his kite, sat in his car for an hour, then deflated without launching. So if you drive a Porsche, then yes, we do know who you are now.

          • jujubee

            No, I drive a van. sorry. no sports cars from my trust fund. Yea, the winds picked up late. You missed the best kiting unfortunately. You should try to stay later. I rarely kite before 3pm. Actually have a job and work for a living.

          • Michelle

            Let me guess – is your van white?

          • jujubee

            Omg. You do know me. :o

        • Michelle

          Like I said, we were just sitting there in our chairs facing the ocean when they approached us from behind. Joel’s rant began so immediately we didn’t have time to respond.
          It’s unfortunate but I’m sure it’s not the last time something like that will happen, and we’ll be more ready to respond next time.

          • jujubee

            I love it when Joel rants. :)

      • silversurfer

        michelle, fred, konamax and whoever else you are, I have to say as an observer, how impressed I am with how you’re raising your son to understand the meaning of Aloha, and how he’s learning to “throw net”.
        Also with how he’s being taught so well to respect the other beach users who have been using the beach responsibly for many years before he came there with his warm hearted family. It’s important for him to know that he has the right to be anywhere on that beach that he wants, no matter the danger he is creating for himself and others. He’ll be able to grow up free of learned values of discipline, of contributing to the greater good of his community.
        He is obviously getting a great example of how to channel his efforts to help make the world a better place from his parents by diligently spending all day, everyday playing in the surf where the kite surfers, who probably only get to take an hour or two out of their schedule of contributing to the greater good of Maui, and Hawaii, earning their living so that they can pay their taxes that support the DLNR and DOBOR, that you are so fond of contacting. But he does have the 2? of you, also always there, to direct him where to play, and how to endear himself to his fellow beach goers.
        It’s important for him to learn how you should introduce yourself into a community by forcing changes to a system that has worked with little conflict for many years, insulting upstanding and established members of that community, while contributing so much yourselves. It’s clearly a way to know he (and yourselves) will always be welcomed to the beach of your choice.
        I only have one major question: If you are so against kite surfing on what is considered one of the best kite beaches in the world, and oddly enough has been called Kite Beach for at least the last 14 years, is an international kite surf destination, why don’t you find one of hundreds of beaches that will work for you, without all this angst and conflict?

        • Michelle

          Your sarcasm in this post is not lost, it is very clear you are part of the kiting community.
          Just because my work schedule allows me to spend a lot of time at the beach does not mean we are not taxpaying members of the community also. That said, county, state, and federal agencies are there to serve the whole of the community. I am sorry that these upstanding and established members of the community have been insulted; the upstanding and established members of the non-kiting community have been subject to these same insults for much longer.
          Why don’t we find another beach? Because Ka’a Point is a public beach that has had a law in place for the past 20 years protecting it as a swim only zone for the protection of the kids and families that wish to use it. We will not be scared away and made to feel intimidated by the group of bullies you are because this law is now going to be enforced more diligently.
          Every member of the community as a whole has the right to enjoy the beach of their choice without being subject to the dangers blatantly presented by your community.

        • usbworks

          Silversurfer, Kite Beach is NOT the swim area only pond at Ka’a Point. There is a wide swath of beach starting upwind at the Canoe Hale behind the lifeguard stand and ending just before Ka’a Point. The last area just upwind of Ka’a Point is Naish Beach where most kiters launch. There is yet another kiter beach downwind of Ka’a Point on the other side that ends at the Sewage Treatment Plant.

          The DLNR swim area only designation for Ka’a Point does not in any way infringe on any of these kiting areas. Kiters use the pond to do jumps and tricks on the shallow flat water. Obviously this is dangerous to people swimming and playing in the pond.

        • Konamax

          The “aloha” that that the kiting community has shown is much more impressive to me and the average reader.
          Yes, my son plays in the surf at a “designated swim zone”, why do you have a problem with that? You may inquire with the DLNR/DOBOR with this as we have, they have posted Hawaii State law….maybe I mis-interpreted it.
          Answer to your major question: Why dont the kiters go to a different beach? Because the rest of Maui has banned kiting due to the dangers created by the kiters.

          • usbworks

            My son kites Konamax. I don’t think kiting has been banned anywhere in Maui. Kiters routinely launch in Kihei and on the north shore at Lanes.

          • Konamax

            Thank you usbworks, I thought I had read that kiting was banned up on the west of the island due to safety concerns. So if kiting is allowed island wide the kiter have as many choices as the swimmers.

          • jujubee

            This is false, Kiting is only allowed at around 5 beaches, island wide.

          • Michelle

            Why is that?

          • Konamax

            Why not the rest?

          • jujubee

            Why dont you research that since you clearly enjoy wasting your time? Why not look into why certain sports are only allowed at certain beaches. And I will give you a hint, its not just kiting.

          • jujubee

            So, therefore you have to put yourself at one of the few beaches kitting is allowed. Makes total sense. Hopefully you will win one of the Darwin awards soon.

          • Konamax

            I was told that kiting is allowed island wide? If not, why?

          • Maui_Mike

            Funny you should mention Darwin in light of the fact that evolution obviously skipped you, my dog is smarter than you, you are insignificant trash and people like you always get what they have coming to them, it’s your time soon.

          • jujubee

            This is like fishing in a bucket. lol. Come on big man… when you gona “put me in check”.

        • Maui_Mike

          Having read the comments and blatant lies these fine upstanding people you speak of have written tells me more than enough, if you think it is ok to ignore the law just because you get away with it for a long time then your definition of fine upstanding citizen is much different than the dictionary version…the law was in place before kites even appeared on the surf, your snarky comment only puts you in the same category as the others who feel entitled to ignore rules.
          they have more community support than you could ever get for your misguided view, and they have set a great example for their child in my opinion, I commend them for doing the right thing.
          I suggest you get some counseling.

    • Maui_Mike

      I can’t help but wonder who gave Steve the authority to post a sign at all, I would bet that he is not allowed to do so, especially when said sign recommends essentially ignoring the rule by going through the pond when the rule clearly states not to…..and this guy speaks for them?,
      I would be embarrassed to have this foolish man speak for me or my group if I were them.

  • Maui_Mike

    At the risk of overstating my opinion,
    A good friend of mine who lives in kula and has kite surfed all over the world pointed out that Steve seems to think he is right simply because he thinks so, it is comforting to know most of the kiting guys are not as closed minded or self righteous as the few who made ugly and untruthful comments here, that’s what you get when you have self described “high acheivers”, they think they are smarter and better than others and have a false sense if entitlement and rules do not apply to them, they have been served notice that this is not the case, they are far from being the majority in the kiting community as a whole.

    • jujubee

      Why stop now? You have an interesting posting history of over stating your opinion. Please continue….

  • Konamax

    Seems odd doesnt it? Why would the MKC put up a sign telling kiters to break Hawaii State law when they are well aware of the designated swimming only zone?

    The sign Steve installed yesterday says:
    No kiters thru the pond when swimmers are present.

    The DLNR law says:
    “The Kanaha Beach Park swim zones A, B, & C are designated for swimming only. No person shall operate a vessel or sailboard within these zones”.
    Swim zone “C” is the fish-pond and surrounding area at Ka’a Point.

    Why would the MKC encourage its members to break established Hawaii State laws?

    • usbworks

      Konamax, do you have a picture of the sign that Steve Sadler posted at Ka’a Point? A photo of that should be sent to the Maui Council and DLNR.

      • Konamax

        If the sign is still up today – I will have get a picture and post/send to the DLNR.
        Funny thing is yesterday when Steve was putting up the sign, 3/4′s of the work was done by Steve alone while his fellow MKC members just watched. Actually our son Max helped Steve more than the kiting community……..

      • Konamax

        Unsure if I uploaded the picture right…..

  • find something better to do

    u all need to chill the F down n relaaaax

    • Maui_Mike

      point taken, but I was already chilled brah!

      • Balco

        Yea, Mike was busying smoking his bowl. He is always chill, even when poking his nose into everyone elses business. :)

        • Maui_Mike

          I don’t smoke “bowls” ever, don’t presume to know me fool.

          • jujubee

            That right, you onto batu pipes. Forgot. My bad.

  • Konamax

    T

    • Michelle

      I told you to do that!

      • Balco

        wtf. lol.

  • Konamax

    Got it.

    • Balco

      Great Sign! :)

      • Michelle

        I do appreciate the efforts of the signage and agree that aesthetically it is a nice looking sign. BUT… the wording of the signage is contradictory to the actual law. If it helps educate the community of kiters in any way, though, it is still a good thing.
        There is the question of the level of authority that allowed this sign to be placed, though.

      • Nobriga

        Yes, so pretty, but still not correct. : ( According to DLNR as I’ve been reading, kiters are not allowed in that pond, PERIOD. Why is this so hard to understand?

        • Balco

          You would be correct, except, kiteboards are not vessels. Nor are sailboards, and is why they were specifically added to the law. The law is out of date currently.

          • Konamax

            I hope you are one of the first to challenge it……

          • Maui_Mike

            that loophole will not stop enforcement, any reasonably intelligent person (not you) would not need that distinction to be made, Very weak silly point.

          • Konamax

            I wouldnt think so either. The kiter is propelled by the the wind same as the sailboard. Both are the same.

          • Michelle

            Please read further down and refer to the documents I just posted by the USCG which states that kiteboards are indeed classified as vessels.

      • Maui_Mike

        great illegal sign

    • Maui_Mike

      I will not mention her name… But my friend is a council person, she says Steve has no right to post any signage, only government entities may do so, the term that fits here is extreme hubris.

      • Balco

        Canoe clubs put up signs all the time in the areas that they utilize Double standard perhaps. lol. If this was as disagreement with a canoe club the council person would tell you to keep your kids clear when the canoes are coming or going from the beach.

        • usbworks

          That may be true. I was once hit by a canoe while surfing in Kahului harbor. A DLNR officer was in the parking lot when I got out, so I asked him if canoes were allowed with surfers. He said that they were and that my only option was to find a new surf spot to avoid the canoes.

          However, canoes, surfers, kiters, or windsurfers are NOT allowed in the Ka’a Point pond because it’s a swim area ONLY!

          Can’t you just accept it?

      • Michelle

        Could not agree with you more.

        I’ve questioned all along the authority Steve had to not only post this sign (seems to be some type of permitting would be required; what is to stop anyone from posting any type of signage they want?); but also when he ran a length of rope with bobbers dividing the fish pond in half a couple of weeks ago to designate what he believed should be the swimming area and the kiting area.

        I had a high level of respect for Steve up until very recently; I have never wished any ill will towards him or any other members of the kiting community. However, I do think it is time for some accountability and for the “hubris” you mentioned to be put in check. They claim we want the beach to ourselves, when in fact it is quite the opposite.
        Ka’a Point would not hold the appeal it does to us if there were no other families and fellow beach users to share it with. We have experienced a great deal of the aloha spirit from these families, and strive to return the same spirit.

        • Maui_Mike

          He was going to divide it off like when the skipper and Gilligan got in a fight and divided the hut…lol!
          this guy is a real piece of work, self appointed rule maker and shot caller, I have a strong feeling the winds of change will be blowing his way soon (pun intended)

          • Michelle

            We obviously are from the same generation, because I recall that episode as well and love your comparison to it!
            We were then when he (Steve) “installed” it and said it was an experiment; it lasted a matter of a few days after a fisherman got his line tangled on the rope (personally witnessed) and then a family with young children had one of their daughters get tangled in the rope (again personally witnessed). After the dad pulled the rope out of the water, Steve appeared and approached the dad telling him that was “his” rope. The dad returned the rope without arguing, but did state that his daughter had gotten tangled in it while simply swimming in the pond.

      • usbworks

        It’s too bad that the sign is illegal. I think that it will help the situation until DLNR posts their own sign.

        • Konamax

          Agreed, it is a step in the right direction and I do acknowledge Steve trying to curtail. Unfortunately it is in favor of the kiters in a “designated swim zone”.

    • usbworks

      I believe that it’s illegal to post a sign on public property. This needs to be sent to the Maui Council and to DLNR.

      • Konamax

        We were told by the DLNR that correct signage will be installed. I hope when and if the the correct signage is installed this illegal sign will be removed. If not we will definitely contact the Maui Council as well as DLNR. I don’t think I will have to though as the kiters will probably remove it themselves because they don’t have to abide by it.

        • usbworks

          I hope that they leave it up because it will most definitely help in the interim.

          • Konamax

            100% agreed. It is a step in the right direction.
            On a relevant and side note: The “bobber buoy line” that Steve installed in the pond dividing it into two resulted in a beach user removing the illegal buoy line that had came loose and was wrapped around his daughter swimming in the pond. I was able to point out the beach user to Steve when he came over to me asking what had happened to his “fix”. Steve was able to recover buoy system from the non-kiting beach using family.

          • Maui_Mike

            Steve treats it like its the swimming pool in his backyard, his own property to decide what to do with, remarkably arrogant, I hope somebody puts these guys in check….and soon.

          • jujubee

            We should put you in check. lol.

          • Konamax

            By “We” do you mean the MKC? All Kiters? You & Steve? Who is “We”?
            We have been at Ka’a Point everyday since the original letter of concern (5/3). Other than Steve & Joel, no one has approached us. I have stated that we are open to a civil debate despite Hawaii State law. You hide behind your jujubug name while you know exactly who I am and have still failed to approach me.

          • jujubee

            Wow, are you really that schitzo??? On your lame letter to the mauinow, on one of my postings you stated, “I know who you are, and I will call the police”. So, which is it, do you know me, or dont you? Are you getting scared? lol.

          • Konamax

            Please copy and paste with the date/time stamp my posting of your claim. I have stated that I will call the DLNR if I see any kiters coming into the fish-pond at Ka’a Point when swimmers are in it.

            . As I said, you are the one hiding behind jujubug while you know who I am yet at the beach you fail to approach me to discuss the subject.

          • jujubee

            I stand corrected, it was USBWorks who claimed to know me on the previous article.

          • Michelle

            Then state your name and who you are. I am Michelle, the mother. Konamax has stated his name several times as Philip, the father. Max is our son.

            Is jujubee your given name that we can identify you by? Which one are you in the photos? Please identify yourself more precisely.

            You all presume we know who you are, just another testament to your over-inflated senses of self-importance!

          • jujubee

            I am Juju Bee. Nice to have never met you. lol. Now, why dont you guys try to get some jobs and become productive residents of this island instead of killjoys.

          • Maui_Mike

            Productive members….like you?…..that’s hilarious, I could buy and sell you ten times over pal, you are a parasite undeserving of my attention, I will ignore you from here on, your reward will come with no need for my input, cowardly man-child.

          • jujubee

            I wish you would buy and sell me 10 times over. The profit margins would be huge. Look at you mr money bags. lol. You must be old to use that phraseology. Are you the Gordon Gecko of Maui?

            Im not deserving of your attention but I got you hook, line and sinker. You can pretend I dont but then you would have to stop posting. lol.

          • Michelle

            But you said we know who you are… which is it???

          • jujubee

            It was USBWorks, see previous post.

          • Maui_Mike

            That is considered a threat, I will forewarn you, I am determined to see you held accountable if you threaten people here, it is a crime.

          • jujubee

            hmmm, I wonder what “put me in check means”? But, if I decide to “put you in check”. its a crime. Interesting logic there. Good luck in “bringing me to justice”.

          • Maui_Mike

            I’d like to see you try you cowardly little prick, your time will come though, please keep doing what you do and it will be your gear taken and you can pay the price of your immense stupidity.

          • jujubee

            I guess you can dish it out, but cant take it. Sign of a real coward. What did you say again: “I hope somebody puts these guys in check….and soon.” Yea, oh, I see, so you dont want to put us in check, you want others to do the check putting for you. Well, then stfu, and yes, we put you in check by merely existing cause your not a kiter and you have never been to that beach, so f-o. LOL.

          • Michelle

            The rest of the world that are not kiters are put in check by you by merely existing???? W…T….F…?????????????

          • jujubee

            Does your brain hurt yet? lol.

          • Maui_Mike

            Don’t try to make sense of this idiots drivel, he is not worth the effort, disqus will help identify and deal with him, it’s real easy.

          • jujubee

            Ohhhhh, the DISQUS police. Good luck with that. I heard they turn over all their files on people by just asking, and telling them that someone hurt your feelings. Poor baby…. awwww…… lol I will give you $1,000 if you can figure out my real name, real email address, and real mailing address. Put your “I can buy you 10 times over” where you mouth is.

          • Konamax

            You’re gonna have to take back alot of cans…….

          • jujubee

            I wont lose. Dont worry. I know how DISQUS works.

  • jujubee

    Wow, look at all the panties in a twist around here. ffs. I guess Hawaii is going to need to permanently post a DLNR officer there. They have hard enough time doing their normal duties. We’ll see how long this lasts. :) I went through the pond a few times today. hehehe. I guess they cant be there 24/7.

    • Maui_Mike

      You are a perfect representation of the type of A-holes that are the problem, you will easily be dealt with in due time though.
      Immature child-like fool.
      You only strengthen my resolve to act and make sure the DLNR stay on top of this, thanks for the inspiration.

      • jujubee

        Oh, so now ” you will easily be dealt with in due time though.”. Hey Mike, you will be dealt with in due time too. Are you ready? lol

        • Michelle

          Sounds like you are insulting not only the posters here but the DLNR officers too (they have a hard enough time doing their normal duties).
          Maui_Mike has been overly civil in the face of all the remarks here; and this is what he is met with?
          As you guys already have made abundantly clear, though, your opinion only matters if you part of the kiting community.
          Well guess what – there is a community outside of your own sheltered little world that doesn’t rely on self justification and entitlement, but rather weighs the facts and comes to their own conclusions and has every right to voice them!

          • jujubee

            He doesnt deserve civility. He is poking his nose where it doesnt belong. When he awoke from his bong haze he decided to chime in on an issue that doesnt concern him.

          • Michelle

            Who are you to say who this concerns and who it doesn’t? In case you missed it, this is a COMMUNITY forum!

          • jujubee

            Then tell him to stop whining like a little b1tch when I throw his same words back at him. If he cant take it, then he can stfu.

          • Michelle

            I don’t need to tell him anything. First off, I don’t know the guy but I do respect him and he has as much right to post here as anyone. The only whining I’ve seen here has been from you guys. He has held his own pretty well, maybe it’s you that can’t take it.

          • Maui_Mike

            Mahalo…best we just ignore and report this idiot, disqus and mauinow deal well with his kind.

          • jujubee

            Awwww… you cant win, so then you gotta tell mommy and daddy. Poor guy…. Luckily, Maui Now believes in freedom of speech. Im sure if you ran a public forum you would edit the f0ck out of it. Especially if someone pissed you off. Typical coward on these forums, cant take the heat when its directed back them. Poor baby.

          • Konamax

            ahem…. in case you missed it read the article above by the editor.

          • jujubee

            Yes, we all read it….. Your not following, are you? My post was in reference to: “best we just ignore and report this idiot, disqus and mauinow deal well with his kind.” Keep up, sport!

          • Konamax

            You are the one missing the gist. You continue to argue against Hawaii State law, even though you have been proven wrong by my wife & me and most importantly the Hawaii DLNR.
            Sorry you want to continue your antics, thats what happens when you nod off and dont read the article/arguement at root.

          • jujubee

            Im not argue against the law at all. Im just telling you I just dont care. Show me where I argued against it? What was my point other than I am going to ignore the law? I didnt present any arguments. I didnt have any basis to express the validity of the law, I just flat out dont care. Its very simple. My only comment to you guys is, there are limited places to kite, and the swim beaches are unlimited, so why bother us. Go else where. I had nothing further to add. You can present me all your legal arguments and all the real important peoples emails and photos and all kinds of things, but that’s meaningless to me. I just dont care. Nothing you say will change that.

          • Konamax

            I’m sure when you’re cited and your gear is confiscated by the DLNR……..You will care!

          • jujubee

            They can try. They will have to take it from my cold dead hands… But, I am willing to bet they wont take my gear ever. lol.

        • Maui_Mike

          Always

          • jujubee

            You like taking it, dont you. :) I should buy you dinner first.

      • jujubee

        Isnt it funny how you’re such a big man telling me that I will be “put in check”, and now I will be “dealt with”. And the minute I throw it back at you, you whine like a little b1tch. Too funny. Why dont you go back to bong before you pass out from typing.

        • Konamax

          Funny, the way I and all other readers interpret it is you trying to be the “big man”.
          Yours as most of the other pro-kiter responses has shown your mentality and intellect.

          • jujubee

            Why dont you get a job. That would be a good start. :)

          • Konamax

            Why, as you I have a trust fund…….

          • jujubee

            That explains it thoroughly… Thanks for clarifying my suspicions…

          • Michelle

            Apparently sarcasm is lost on you

          • Maui_Mike

            Mahalo

        • Maui_Mike

          I am confident you are only brave enough to pop off here, but would cower in the shadows if it came down to it, as a tax payer and member of the public I have every right to my opinion, you don’t run anything here or anywhere else, uneducated idiot, and I have not owned a bong in my entire life, you know less than nothing.

          • jujubee

            I pop off in public too. I am not one to edit myself. If you met me, I would spout off at you then too. But seeing your panties get into a twist is pure entertainment for the evening. Thank you for that. :D

            Btw, I did see your postings on the article about legalizing weed. You dont have to change your tune here. lol.

          • Konamax

            You probably dont even reside on Maui and have no idea what or where Ka’a Point is. It must be cold in your parents basement in Ohio.

          • jujubee

            Shootz Brah! You figured me out. Im in Cleveland with three chicks in the basement. lol. Btw, dont tell Maui “Magic” Mike I am in Ohio. That might help him win the bet.

          • Konamax

            Sleepy time!! Gotta have rest for the beach tomorrow!

          • Maui_Mike

            I am originally from Ohio, we wouldn’t have him….

          • Konamax

            Kind of fond of Toledo and Cedar Point myself. Sorry I meant Indiana…..

          • jujubee

            Maui_Mike just figure out what kiting is from these articles… lol.

          • Michelle

            What does this have to do with the subject at hand? Everyone is entitled to their opinion on subjects. I support legalization but I do not smoke.
            I have, however, witnessed and have photos of “kiters” smoking a bowl and then going out kiting minutes later. Doesn’t strike me as very responsible.

          • Maui_Mike

            I support legalization too, and yes, I have said so many times, big deal right.

          • jujubee

            I have photos of Maui_Mike smoking a bowl and then typing on his keyboard. I dont think thats very responsible either.

          • Michelle

            Big difference between sitting in front of a computer and taking “dangerous equipment” (as stated on Cabrinha’s website) out into the ocean and coming into a pond full of kids.
            What’s he gonna do – kill his computer?

          • jujubee

            Nah, he is gonna hurt his brain, or stub his fingers. The old guy needs to start taking care of himself. He has delusions of perceived threats, and some special knowledge of tracking me down. All quite fun to read. He thinks DISQUS can help him, when it cant. Im sitting at a sbux using a public wifi. He think Maui Now is gonna squelch freedom of speech, which it wont. He needs to get back to reality.

          • Maui_Mike

            let me make this perfectly clear so that even someone with your low IQ can understand, I have absolutely no interest in your deranged thoughts nor do I wish to play your playground games, instead of a civil debate you only wish to sling mud , insults and the like, that is beneath me and I would rather stay above that level, I regret lowering my standards and responding in kind to your immature rants last night, that was my mistake, there is no way to have an intelligent debate with you, as you obviously lack intelligence in even its smallest form, you remind me of a child that can’t have his way.
            With that said I now scrape you off the bottom of my shoe and move on to the next thing, karma will deal with you, and that is satisfactory knowledge for me, I will not waste another second on you, any other comments directed to me will be considered harassment, find someone else to play your childish games with, I am not the one.

          • jujubee

            Then stop being a whiny b1tch and just admit you overreacted with your fabricated claims of threats. No one threatened you If you cant see that then that speaks volumes about you as a person. Grow a pair, will ya.

    • Konamax

      One last and on topic post. We had expressed safety concerns to the kiting community at Ka’a Point. I was told told by the MKC that kiting into the pond was allowed. Now that the DLNR has responded that there is no kiting allowed in the pond……not one apology from the kiters, instead we have been insulted and threatened and flat out told that the kiters will not abide by the law. This tells me that the kiters knew they skirted the law all along – It also amplifies their integrity.

  • usbworks

    I’ve spoken with Naish, one of the biggest kite equipment manufacturers on Maui. They sponsor a few of the kiters from Maui. They also organize the summer race series at Kite Beach.

    Naish supports the exclusive use of the pond as a swim area only.

    • jujubee

      Stop the presses….

  • Michelle

    Apparently attacking us (Michelle, Philip, and Max) has become old for these guys so they have moved onto new targets (such as Maui_Mike). Love how you guys have the ability to stay on topic and talk about the real issue at hand. (Insert sarcasm)

    • jujubee

      You feeling lonely? I can direct my attention at you of you like. lol. Maui Mike was more fun cause he got so invested in this topic that has nothing to do with him. It was truly inspirational. But, then he pussied out and went with the “Im gonna tell on you” which is typically a sign of giving up. Pretty classic. Hopefully he will be ready for another round latre after he wakes up from his weed infested stupor. He is a old guy, so he will be up around 4am Maui time. :D Watch his post times. :)

      • Konamax

        Direct away…..

    • Maui_Mike

      It was expected, I have thick skin, no worries, karma is real.
      It’s been fun, gotta get up at 4:30 so I’m out, keep up the cause, you are fighting the good fight for the right reason, much Aloha to you and your ohana.

      • jujubee

        See I wasnt kidding. :) The old guy cant sleep past 4am lol.

        • Maui_Mike

          I work from home and my business is in another time zone, but yes I wake early….I am old too, 49 in July, and put you in check means you will get busted eventually, I will have nothing to do with that fact, best of luck, you need it.

          • Michelle

            You don’t need to justify or explain why you wake up early to anyone.

          • jujubee

            Wow, Mike. So, “putting me in check” only means “I will get busted eventually”. So, when I told you that “we would put you in check”, and you p1ssed your panties and replied with “That is considered a threat, I will forewarn you, I am determined to see you held accountable if you threaten people here, it is a crime.” Laughable. When I say it its a threat, and when you say it, its not. Got it. You have the intellect of a gnat and are a phony d0uche bag. And you think DISQUS, Maui Now or the police will even consider your complaints are valid?? Lol. You are a piece of work Maui “Magic” Mike. If your clients only knew.

      • Michelle

        Aloha to you as well. Thank you for your support and showing the strength of character many commenting on here lack.

  • Konamax

    One last and on topic post. We had expressed safety concerns to the kiting community at Ka’a Point. I was told told by the MKC that kiting into the pond was allowed. Now that the DLNR has responded that there is no kiting allowed in the pond……not one apology from the kiters, instead we have been insulted and threatened and flat out told that the kiters will not abide by the law. This tells me that the kiters knew they skirted the law all along -

    • jujubee

      Didnt know, didnt care. Still dont.

  • usbworks

    Here’s an analysis of kitesurfing injuries worldwide:

    1. The most experienced riders appear to put themselves at the greatest risk.
    2. Older riders in their late 30’s and 40’s appear to be at highest risk.
    3. The majority of fatalities happened during launching and landing near or onshore.
    4. The majority of fatalities happen in the fall closely followed by the spring. Early and late season conditions (more extreme weather, overconfidence or lack of recent time on the water, etc.) may be responsible in part for these trends.
    5. Riders were lofted (suddenly & unexpectedly lifted) in 67% of the cases.
    7. Insufficient distance or buffer from hard objects was a factor in 65 % of the cases.
    8. Wind direction such as dead onshore winds factored in 58% of the cases.
    9. Kiteboard leashes (NOT kite leashes), were a factor in 10 % of the cases.

  • usbworks

    Researchers at Halmstad University in Sweden published a study in the World Academy of Science in 2011 entitled: “Injuries Related to Kitesurfing.”

    They interviewed a bit more than 200 kitesurfers (randomly selected, competent at an intermediate level of kitesurfing or better, and with experience varying from 1 to 10 years)

    38% of kiters interviewed sustained at least one serious injury in the past 12 months;

    40% said that environmental factors played a role in their injuries;

    7 injuries per 1,000 hours of kitesurfing.

  • Michelle

    Quick update: DLNR officers were on scene today. They educated all kiters present about the law prohibiting them from entering the “fish pond” whether swimmers were present or not. They also stated that the posted sign by the MKC was incorrect in stating that no kiters were to enter the pond “when swimmers are present”, and ensured that proper signage would be posted soon.

    This was in response to an incident that occurred yesterday where a kiter entered the pond (who has been very vocal here in stating that he had no intention of obeying the law) did so while our son was swimming there.

    This person was educated by the DLNR officers directly today about the law. He did not land through the fish pond again but did make obscene gestures to me later in the day. I’v been given the finger more than once in my life and can deal with it; apparently these guys cannot deal with being told by a uniformed officer that they are wrong.

    • usbworks

      Many people have expressed their support for rebuilding the outside rock wall into the pond. That would be a permanent solution to the problem but we need to investigate its feasibility and legality.

      Who is the kiter that you mention?

      • Michelle

        The DLNR is also looking into placing buoys to delineate the “swim zone”, along with the signage they will be posting.

        The kiters name is Brian. If you look at the Facebook comments under the original letter from May 3rd you will see his many posts.

        • Maui_Mike

          Is Brian juju bee?

          • Konamax

            No one has yet to approach us. The two sound the same from what I have read on here but unfortunately there are a lot of kiters with an ego as big as his. We had a 60+ year old kiter yell some obscenity to us from across the beach. Also, the two brothers that are heavily sponsored and I think are the offspring of the MKC President…….you should see how these “pro’s” conduct themselves on the beach. Besides the oh so kind words they have for us, their groupies pulling their skirts up to my 4 year old – He didnt mind though.

          • usbworks

            Do you know the names of the sponsored brothers? Do you have them on video?

          • jujubee

            Keep up the good fight! lol.

          • Konamax

            Did I mention that no one has approached us………..

          • jujubee

            …… and that is how its going to remain…… get a clue….

          • Michelle

            Naish and Dakine are two of their biggest sponsors. Their lawyer father is the current FAA waiver holder and the president of the MKC…..

          • jujubee

            Why should we approach you? Are we required to kiss the ring? We have no interest in making nice, so stop wasting your time. We do, however, hope you continue your quest. The entertainment is quite satisfying.

          • Konamax

            If you’re going to talk it, you should be ready to walk it!!
            You talk big story but in the end you lose. Signage and buoys are coming just for guys/gals like you.

          • Brian

            No there not

          • Konamax

            Maybe they are, maybe they are not. I do know that the DLNR officers assured me they were so……..Do you see where this is going. Do I believe lawbreaker “Brian” or upstanding Hawaii State DLNR officers. Hmmmm.

          • Brian

            Again your slandering me do you understand that?

          • Konamax

            You continue to break Hawaii State Laws by kitesurfing thru the swim only zone……twist it all you want. YOU are a law breaker – no slander, just the truth.

          • Brian

            Then why haven’t I been arrested?

          • Konamax

            All good things come to those that wait……..

          • Brian

            You really think they are going to start hauling kiters away in handcuffs for kiting in a swim zone? You have articles a Facebook page and a dozen fake screenames you post under. But truth is your one disgruntled angry crazy lady.

          • Konamax

            Actually – we have only one FB account and each of us have a Discus account – thats it, thats all that is needed. Thanks for the compliment thinking we could have numerous screennames – we cant keep up with the ones we have now.

          • Maui_Mike

            What a misguided fool you are, you can’t grasp even the simple stuff, very funny though!

          • Maui_Mike

            I doubt anyone will ever be taken away in handcuffs as you say, it is a fine and loss of gear more likely, but subsequent violations might make it an arrestable offense, I do not know. I am curious, why not just obey the law?

          • Maui_Mike

            You only show stupidity with each sentence you write, your disregard for the law and rules says plenty about you.

          • Brian

            That is the third comment in a row you have attacked me personally. You continue to insult me and call me names anonymously from behind your computer. Why not be a man and come do it in person?

          • Konamax

            He didnt insult you. He said your stupidity is showing. Which explains your blatant disregard for the law and the safety of others.

          • Brian

            So your husband insults me using another fake screen name and your a woman nice way to play it. And as we have been through a million times I haven’t kited anywhere near your kid and your not the coast guard.

          • Maui_Mike

            Your inability to comprehend is amazing, but I am not “calling you names” but I am responding to the things you say to me and others, you have no clue at all what is fact and what is fiction, that’s sad.

          • Brian

            So basically your not going to come to the beach but instead will continue to hide behind your computer

          • Maui_Mike

            tell me how that would change anything, you would still be wrong, and I would waste gas driving there, seems like a stupid idea, you have plenty of those apparently.

          • Konamax

            No one has yet to approach us. The two sound the same from what I have read on here but unfortunately there are a lot of kiters with an ego as big as his. We had a 60+ year old kiter yell some obscenity to us from across the beach. Also, the two brothers that are heavily sponsored…….you should see how these “pro’s” conduct themselves on the beach. Besides the oh so kind words they have for us, their groupies pulling their skirts up to my 4 year old – He didnt mind though.

          • Maui_Mike

            They are either the same person or cut from the same cloth, it really does not matter though, just wanted to put a face to the crazy rant. No worries.

          • jujubee

            Im sure you will get to the bottom of it, deputy dog.

          • Brian

            Mike if you want to see my face all you have to do is ask what we don’t know is who you are why not come down to the beach and introduce yourself since your so concerned. Wait to do that you would have to be someone other than Michelle and or her husband which I doubt.

          • Maui_Mike

            I could not be less interested, you are fairly insignificant to me, your thoughts here tell all I care to know about you, and you can believe I am whoever you choose to, no care.

          • Brian

            Ok got it your one of those who likes to name call behind the safety of your computer screen. Big man

          • jujubee

            Maui_Mike is one of those old pot heads who makes grand claims and can never back it up. He has been saying for weeks that he is going to “put me in check”. The only thing has done to date is put me into full on laughter. :) He makes ever discussion personal, get off his rocker, then apologizes and then does it again within 5 posts. Its a funny cycle. Enjoy the Maui_Mike ride.

          • Maui_Mike

            I can not fix stupid, so therefore I can do nothing to help you, and you have done just fine looking and sounding dumb on your own, you need no help from me, I have not and will not make any apology to you unless it is warranted, it is not.

          • Maui_Mike

            I like intelligent debate, and am always willing to do so, what would you have me do, post my name and address?
            This is a comment forum, I am doing just that, you attack others then complain when you are made to look stupid, if the shoe fits…..

          • Brian

            Calling someone stupid, loser, etc is not intelligent debate. You wouldn’t say those things to me in person yet choose to do so here. It is kind of like the tough guy that flicks you off from a moving car.

          • Maui_Mike

            You are saying such ridiculous things, and apparently you can say whatever you want but can’t take the heat of the conversation you start. If you are suggesting I would be to intimidated to speak the truth to you in person you are wrong, but I have no interest in meeting you or being your buddy, I use this forum as it is set up, what more can I do.

          • Brian

            I am not suggesting anything I am 100% certain you would not call me any kind of derogatory name to my face

          • Maui_Mike

            I am not “calling you names”, But I am indeed pointing out your errors, if you are so offended then perhaps you should do some fact checking before commenting and being so profoundly wrong, as I have said, I do not go to that beach at all, but I understand the law after reading it, you apparently do not, and I can not help you to understand, have a friend help you read it, that might help you.
            are you commenting from behind a screen? and what does that have to do with the facts?….nothing at all, I’m sure you think you are real tough, but tough does not make you right, what a Neanderthal you are!

          • Brian

            You say your not name calling in the first sentence and then call me a neanderthal in the last. You do realize personal attacks and name calling are against forum rules? i can’t believe no one from Maui News is shutting you down can we get a moderator in here?

          • Maui_Mike

            You think characterizing your behavior as Neanderthal is a personal attack?
            I meant it as a descriptive phrase, your veiled threats and invitations to meet you at the beach could only mean so many things, that is primitive pre evolution chest bumping macho BS, drag your knuckles in the sand all day, no one is too impressed I’m sure, I know I am not. Your invite to meet you at the beach is for a fight or you are coming on to me, I don’t wish to bump chests with you and I am totally not gay…. so no thank you on both counts bud.

        • Maui_Mike

          Juju bee is Brian….right

          • jujubee

            Sorry old man, I am on the mainland right now for business. Not Brian. Sounds like I missed all the fun though. Good times! I’ll be back this weekend. lol.

          • Maui_Mike

            Six of one, half dozen of the other, same loser type rant. The good news is the kids and families have won out, I am satisfied with that. And you still have to be you, that is greatly satisfying in itself. And if 48 is an old man then you must be a young punk, I have forgotten more than you will ever know clown.

          • jujubee

            48 is pretty old to me. lol. As far as winning and losing, thats where your mistakes began, this isnt a competition. I know you guys wanna tug each others johnsons at the end of the day and glad hand away, but the fact is, freedom will reign, whether you like it or not. These self appointed protectors of a beach cant be there all the time, and so far I have found they are never there when I kite. So, in reality, you guys are non-existent in my world, and thats how I like it.

            Michael has promised to take my gear away, maybe he will get lucky this weekend, but I doubt it. I can just kite over to my neighborhood at the end of the day and leave you losers in my wake. hehehe.

            As far as building up the rock wall, please do. Kiters love obstacles. You clearly arent familiar with the boosted jumps we can do. Your wall better be around 30′ high. lol.

          • Maui_Mike

            That’s fine that you would rather break the law, that says a lot about your character, if the problem with you and your type of vermin persists the FAA waiver will definitely be rescinded, so by all means carry on fool.

          • jujubee

            FAA waiver has no bearing on the beach, it has to do with the airspace. So, good luck with the FAA. FAA aint gonna rescind jack unless people mess with the airspace,. Dont make stupid promises you cant keep. I defy you to get the FAA to rescind the waiver for just beach issues. Go on big mouth.

          • Maui_Mike

            As a means to end the problem the state can request the waiver be rescinded, and they would surely oblige, but it is unlikely to be necessary since the current enforcement will be adequate for all but the minority of idiots like yourself, your luck will run out in due time and that will be very funny indeed, you are right though, it’s not a competition, it’s a simple matter of right and wrong, the rules speak for themselves, the pond is off limits, I know that is hard for you to understand, but it is the law.

          • jujubee

            Nice cop out Mr know nothing. Want to put any more stipulations on your stupid FAA comments?? lol.

          • Maui_Mike

            Actually I have years of experience solving business problems, the skill is transferable, so your sarcasm is true in this case. But it is a moot point, the powers that be will handle this issue and you as well if need be. You are by far the dumbest person I have encountered in quiet a while….and that is saying something.

          • jujubee

            Lol. Too funny. You have no idea do you? Its almost too easy.

          • Maui_Mike

            It is obvious it is you that has no clue, the law pertains to you, but you can’t understand it, maybe it is because of your limited ability to comprehend words with more than two syllables, try to concentrate, in the pond with kite…no can, get it?

          • jujubee

            Your still not following. Its ok. Keep feeding me. The more you do, the dumber you look. Lol. Idiot. Sorry, I keep forgetting your 48, you probably still think the internet is a series of tubes, and wouldnt know your cache from a proxy hole in the ground.

          • Maui_Mike

            It’s funny, everything you say is true, except in reverse, you are the one who does not get it, you obviously are dyslexic with a bit if a learning disability as well, I have had enough of your stupidity though, entertaining as it is there is no sense in beating a dead horse. And I have been using a computer since the late 70′s and build PC’s…..so once again you are way off the mark….what an incredible idiot you prove to be with every word, pathetic, but funny!

          • jujubee

            You are so tasty. :) Please detail for us your cv. So impressive. You actually built a computer of your own. But, yet you dont understand the internet still. So sad. You seem so naive on these forums. Please continue….

          • Konamax

            Juju, I figured you out!! You’re a beach-user at Ka’a but didnt want to go against the kiters and so you have left the battle to us. Now you instigate so that we battle more for you! Seems cowardice…..

          • jujubee

            Ah, yes, you figured me out. You are so smart. No wonder you dont have a job. lol.

          • Konamax

            If there are enough complaints….who knows. From what I hear the there are more complaints about the kiters coming in.

          • Michelle

            The FAA waiver actually does have stipulations relating to the beach and other beach/water users that must be abided by.

            The following is copied and pasted directly from the MKC website:

            “Maui North Shore kiteboarders operate under an FAA certificate of waiver, which authorizes kiteboarding near Kahului Airport. The FAA waiver stipulates all kiteboarders must comply with:

            No maneuvers shall be performed over persons or property not involved in kiteboarding activity

            No kiteboarding in the two mile long by one mile wide corridor at the end of the runway in Spreckelsville

            The waiver is applicable and only valid between the hours of official sunrise and sunset

            All kiteboarders operating within the area shall be responsible for avoiding non-participants

            The kite will not be operated above 125 feet above sea level

            The waiver is valid for two years and we must remain in good standing with the FAA.”

            Notice where it states that all kiteboards must comply; also notice the 1st and 4th rule listed, pertaining to non-participants and how it is the kiteboarders responsibility to avoid them.

            The documented behaviors are in blatant disregard to this stipulation. Don’t believe me? Don’t need to…. there are official reports made by the DLNR/DOCARE that clearly document this.

          • jujubee

            Cool! Keep up the good work deputy dog. Good luck with the FAA. :)

          • Michelle

            Actually, DLNR and the DOCARE officers have appointed themselves as enforcers of the law. You continue to flatter us with your claims that we should yield such power; the freedom you mention is a freedom that EVERY person enjoying the beach is entitled to, whether you kite or not. That is where you fail in your message.

            I truly am sorry we have missed you “every time you have been there” as it has been made clear we are there every day, and more often than not stay well beyond the 3pm time frame you mentioned elsewhere.

            Unsure who the “Michael” you referenced is who promised to take your gear away, but I do know the officer that issued the formal written warning to the offender yesterday stated that the next step would be not only a citation but impounding equipment.

          • Brian

            Who was given a written warning? I go to the beach all the time and have not heard of anyone receiving a written warning. Did you just make that up?

          • Konamax

            You were specifically mentioned. No kidding, the DLNR officer called you out by your full name.

          • jujubee

            Well, shootz, thats proof right there. I bet the DLNR can call you out by your full name too. Alan gave me an idea about your little fishin stunt. Be prepared for the same treatment. Two can play that game. :)

          • Konamax

            If the DLNR officer tells us that our 4 year old should not be fishing at Ka’a Point – you know what, he won’t be fishing there anymore. Why cant the kiters respond the same?

          • jujubee

            Ahhh, so now its your SON who has been fishing swim zones. So funny. nice try trying to cover your ***.

          • Konamax

            Huh? Again, your wording is really hard to follow -do you have something to say?

          • Maui_Mike

            As if nothing could ever happen without you being aware of it.

          • jujubee

            You are such an idiot. A person has to be “issued” a ticket or warning or it didnt happen. You cant just dream it up to be true. Until Brian is actually given a ticket, and/or has his gear taken away (never seen that happen EVER), then you are all liars. No one has been cited, charged, convicted, or served any penalties. So keep dreaming.

          • Maui_Mike

            By your logic a person can commit a crime and as long as they don’t get caught then it never happened…..that of course is ridiculous, did you eat paint chips as a child?

          • Brian

            I am sure all the kiters would be talking about it I go to that beach several days a week no one mentioned anyone getting a written warning. Michelle implied earlier that the DLNR told me it was illegal to kite throughout the pond that is not true they told me she claimed to have photos of me trying to run over her kid. If someone was given a written warning I would like to know who so I can read it myself. I believe Michelle made it up.

          • Brian

            Hey Mike care to call me a loser in person?

          • Konamax

            If it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck……it probably is a duck. I call a spade a spade. If the shoe fits……..

          • Maui_Mike

            I would be happy to do so if you were as wrong in person as you are here, but I think you would be an exercise in futility.

          • Brian

            Sorry only Michelle is crazy enough to post under multiple names

        • Konamax

          We walked down to the “Designated Swim Zones” A & B yesterday. Both have signage & buoys. Why doesnt the Designated Swim Zone C have signage or buoys? Seems odd that only 2 of 3 swim zones would have this when all three swim zones are listed and mapped by the DLNR. If there was at one time signage & bouys at swim zone C at Ka’a Point – what happened to them?

          • WRider

            They were never put in cause at the time, the place was a garbage dump. The only reason your family is there now is cause the kiting community cleaned up the area. If Kiting never happened, you would never be in that spot. Unless of course if you enjoy going to a dump for your recreation. Isnt it ironic that Kiter’s made that area nice enough to attract you there so you can be a complete doosh to the kiting community. If you can grasp that you can begin to understand the animosity coming your way and will continue.

          • Konamax

            Funny, the kiters say it was a garbage dump and the generations long locals say it was a fishing/diving/swimming site. Your animosity has no bearing on me or my family as we owe you nothing. Obey the law!

          • WRider

            The locals are the ones who dumped all the cars and appliances in the area in the first place. It may have been clean 25+ years ago, but 10 years ago, it was disgusting. I was part of the volunteer cleaning crew back then when we were given kite beach as a place to use. It was given to us because it was one of the worst beach locations and they had to put kiting somewhere. We turned it around to make it nice. Did you know there was a rusting dishwasher in the pond there that we had to pull out. That doesnt even include the three derelict cars that were left in the beach area. You have no clue. I wish I took photos back then of all the stuff we pulled out. The kiting website has a couple shots but they dont show all the stuff that was hauled away.

          • Konamax

            If you look around the ground cover at NASKA’s you will find several ripped up kites pushed into the bushes. I dont think the locals did this.

          • WRider

            And we clean up all our debris at our beach cleanups every year. We have been taking care of this area for over ten years. Get a clue.

          • jujubee

            Dont bother. He is never gonna get it….

          • Konamax

            I, as I am sure the other beach-users “Thank You” for cleaning the beach around the designated swim only zone.

          • Maui_Mike

            I have cleaned beaches too, that gives me no ownership or special entitlement of those beaches, they were never “given to you”

          • Konamax

            We talked about this yesterday. The kiters have said that they took this garbage dump of a beach that nobody wanted and cleaned it up to fit their needs. A BEACH IN HAWAII THAT NOBODY WANTED???

          • Maui_Mike

            That is BS, it is only true in their mind, long time locals say different, either way doing a public service is commendable, but gives no special treatment or beach ownership.

          • Brian

            You do realize the bench your family sits on everyday was donated by kiters?

          • Konamax

            We do, thank you MKC. Now the MKC should have spent that money on legal fees to have the law changed a long time ago instead of continuing to use a swim only zone.

    • Konamax

      It has been mentioned many times from the kiters as well as the MKC that most of the offenders are tourists or vistors to Maui. On the contrary, what we have seen and photograped are the same couple dozen kiters that we have seen for the last several months.

      • usbworks

        Can you post a few photos of the most egregious behavior?

        • jujubee

          Yes, please do! I wish I was around to get my photo taken. So far you have missed me each time. Maybe this weekend when I get back to Maui. If you stay later than 3pm you will probably get to see me finally. lol.

          • Konamax

            We should be there. You know who we are, please come over and introduce yourself.

          • jujubee

            I will be the guy boosting huge air in front of your faces. Be sure to wave and take my photo. lol.

          • Konamax

            Then you’re definitely NOT Brian……..we usually watch him land on his face and then get dragged a few hundred yards. But then again you could be.

          • jujubee

            It must be a move called the Face Plant.

          • Brian

            Why are you watching me if you hate kiting so much?

          • Konamax

            Where have I ever said that I hate kiting? You cant just try to spin it again without something to stand on, please copy and paste where I said I hate kiting. As before, you will not be able to produce as you again are blowing smoke & everyone is aware of you now.

          • jujubee

            You’re just butthurt cause your kid had to move out of the way. lol.

          • Konamax

            Huh? At least make it something understandable – at least for us, the reader.

          • jujubee

            Google is your friend.

        • Michelle

          I cannot provide photos of all of the behavior, because contrary to the opinions stated here we do not troll the beach with hidden cameras.
          I do have a few photos of one the Richman brothers getting belligerent yesterday, as well as the woman with her dog that ran in front of the camera lifting her mini-skirt up in front of our son when I was taking photos of the kiter that entered the pond (after being told by DLNR officers that were on scene educating the kiters).

          • usbworks

            Please email me the photo of the Richmans to usbworks@yahoo.com.

          • Michelle

            I am attaching a few photos here…

          • Michelle

            Photo 1

          • Michelle

            This next photo looks almost the same except for the kids playing in the water; notice how their attention is now on what this guy is yelling to us….

          • jujubee

            If only your photos showed something more interesting. Yawn… you can do better, and more closeups, these distance shots arent doing it for me.

          • Brian

            WTF I see a guy standing on the beach is this supposed to mean something?

          • Michelle

            And here is the kiter that came in the pond that prompted the response “Not in the water, doesn’t count”

          • Michelle

            Sure looks to be in the water to me…

          • Michelle

            Last photo of this sequence

          • jujubee

            You dont need to, you can find photos of him online every where. lol.

        • Michelle

          I apologize if the photos and comments are hard to follow; having some difficulties getting the photos to post….

    • Brian

      I am tired of you slandering me online. The uniform police officer 100% did not say it was illegal to kite through the pond. He told me you claimed to have photos of me trying to run over your kid. I told him that and a dollar would get you a soda. Another individual approached who was not an officer and said it was a swim zone and no vessels were allowed. I told that person who did not identify themselves and was not wearing any uniform that a kite was not a vessel. The officer said they were investigating it and took my information. I have not been contacted since.

      • Maui_Mike

        The coast guard says different, it is a vessel to them and all the other authority’s, your argument is weak and childish.

        • Brian

          Neither they nor any other authorities have said differently to me or any kiters on the beach and guess what your not the Coast Guard

          • Michelle

            Brian – you will know when I am posting because I post as Michelle. I have used no other username besides Fred Garvin and stopped using that and switched when people wanted to focus on a woman with the user name of Fred.

            Here is an excerpt from the email I received from the DLNR officer that spoke with you, copied and pasted exactly as it was written to me:

            “As I mentioned to you on the beach yesterday, HANKINS will be issued a written warning for his swim zone violation, the kite community that I talked to has been educated on this issue and DOCARE will continue to make checks at Ka’a Pt. and hopefully answer any other question by the kite community and /or the general public, with public safety being one of our main concerns.”

            In subsequent verbal conversation confiscation of gear was also mentioned and it was noted that the first citation issued would be precedent setting.

          • Brian

            I have not received any written warning and would welcome the opportunity to discuss the issue further with DLNR. Nor did anyone mention anything about confiscating any gear to me. Again the uniformed officer never said it was illegal he said they were investigating the issue. Seems like your confused.

          • Michelle

            I think it may be that you are just in denial about it, as I am inclined to believe the words of a DLNR Enforcement Officer over your words here.

          • Brian

            The DLNR officer took my name and said another officer would be in contact. Do you know why no one has been in contact? Because he didn’t even ask for my phone number. He only came over and spoke to me to appease you get it?

          • Brian

            Not sure where my reply went but the DLNR took my name and said that another officer was going to investigate your complaint that you had photos of me trying to run over your kid. I welcomed the investigation yet was perplexed they did not ask for my phone number. The DLNR officer did not say it was illegal to kite anywhere. Another individual who did not identify themselves approached as I was speaking with the officer and started saying it was illegal. I did not get a chance to get this other individuals identity as when I mentioned your son and his boogie board they left. Also when I told the officer you were a nut job he said he had heard that from everyone else as well. He said he was not there that day because of you and just happened to be there when you complained to him. He did no seem that interested in it. The other individual was very animated but again did not identify themselves.

          • Michelle

            We have never said you were trying to run our son over, just that you were creating an unsafe condition by coming in so close to him. They did state they would need these photos for “evidence” and asked me to forward the photos to them via email.
            The other officer did arrive later and asked us to identify you, but at this time you were down at Naska’s trying to fix your kite when you were blown in there after a failed trick.
            They probably left when you mentioned the boogie board because they realized what a ridiculous comment that was to make and gave up trying to speak logically with you.
            These are the same officers that stated that current sign posted there is wrong and needs to come down.

          • Maui_Mike

            You again do not get it, the coast guard said it, read the article, you are wrong, they do not need to give you individual notice, ignorance of the law is never an excuse that works.

          • Brian

            Let me know when the coast guard is on the beach

  • Michelle

    Jujubee – we have openly stated our names and it has been made to seem quite apparent that everyone on that beach knows who we are; hiding behind a screen name and trying to speak in cryptic phrases to make people wonder who you are holds no weight.
    The very simple fact of the matter is that there IS a law pertaining to that section of the beach, and this has been verified by DLNR/DOCARE officers as recently as today. They were on-site yesterday for some time educating the kiters about the law; I’m sorry you missed out on this information, but you are, nevertheless, fully aware of the law in place. Signage and buoys are currently “in process” (as stated in the email I received this morning) to further enforce this law.

    I welcome civil, reasonable debate with you regarding this situation at any time; if you find that you are capable of that I welcome your response. I will not, however, lower myself to your level of disrespect and respond in kind should you wish to continue to post in this way.

    • jujubee

      Thank you moved to Maui to save us all. I suppose the Mayor will be giving you all awards for outstanding community service. Weeeeeee…. Yawn…. I don’t acknowledge you at the beach, cause you don’t exist. I have no interest in conversation, when I go to the beach, its to kite. Thats it. End of story.

    • Maui_Mike

      and the hell with everyone else apparently, a mindset I can’t fathom, have you taken Max to baby beach at Baldwin? a lot of families there and much better vibe than the one you seem to be experiencing there, it’s some truly blatant lack of civility from these ‘high achievers’ kite guys.

      • Leilani

        I have to agree. Baby Beach at Baldwin is the best place for families. Thats where I take my daughters when its beach time for the kids. Good vibe. No kiters, surfers, windsurfers, or anything. Just families and kids having a good time. Personally, I couldnt deal with all this static that you guys must be getting at this place. Certainly takes the fun out of the beach.

        • Maui_Mike

          Yeah, I always took my kids to Baby Beach when they were younger, it’s a family spot and people are friendly and watch out for each others kids, usually not overly crowded and a beautiful spot to spend family time at the beach, I personally never liked the beaches in the Kanaha area, homeless folks, rude surfers and what not, there’s a great place at sprecks for older kids to body board too.

          • Leilani

            Yea, Kanaha is disgusting. Dirty beach, dirty water. Its not a nice place for families. I took my kids once to the canoe hale beach at Kanaha and my oldest got a staph infection from the water there. I think the “poo poo” plant down the way is leaking into the ocean around there.

          • Maui_Mike

            Kanaha, ka’a point, stable road, all the spots in that area are not my kind of spot, actually some of the worst beaches on island to me.

        • Konamax

          We have been to Baby Beach also and we do like it. We like Ka’a Point due to its proximity to our home & work – as well as the several families that have shown us the “aloha” while we have been there. I dont mind the other beach-users (kiters, surfers, etc) as long as they practice their hobby in a safe way and adhere to Hawaii State laws. So far we havent been subjected to any “static” at Ka’a Point – the only static we have received has been on public forums and social media – mainly from the MKC and kiters that want to continue to break the law.

          • KCardwell

            What form does “the aloha” come in? Is it in a box with a bow in it. lol. Its not “shown us the aloha”, its “shown us aloha”. And Aloha doesnt need quotes around it, unless our are being sarcastic.

          • Konamax

            Thank you for the correction.

          • Maui_Mike

            I think I would drive the less than ten minutes to be in a place I was welcome at, I admire you for taking a stand, for what it’s worth, many feel you are right.

          • KalamaK

            and many think you, konamax, are wrong. a community divided.

          • Maui_Mike

            Disagreement is normal, self serving lack of respect like the kind some of the kiter community buy into is another thing entirely, the divide is not as deep as you think.

          • Konamax

            Thank you again Mike, we received a very pono welcome today at Ka’a Point.

          • Michelle

            That’s the problem, as we learned today from the several families that approached us with hugs and gratitude; they have just been trying to avoid the “static”, and in turn have been chased off a beach that they all agree is a great place for the kids and families by the kiters who have shown no respect or regard and have tried to completely take it over. They expressed their long standing concerns over the exact behavior we did (kiters endangering the kids by coming into the pond when they are swimming) but stated they never knew there was a law prohibiting it and didn’t know what to do about it. Now they do know, and (personal opinion) I believe things will begin to change.
            Taking a stand against what we now know to be illegal (not to mention irresponsible and arrogant) behavior is something that I am proud of, not just for myself and my family, but for the 20+ kids we saw swimming and playing there today and their families.

          • Brian

            Again until someone actually gets issued a ticket and convicted for being in swim zone C your just slandering everyone as no one is breaking any law

          • Konamax

            From what I understand, you may be the first. Unsure if you are having a hard time accessing or understanding the DLNR Law – It does state that the area around Ka’a Point is a swim zone. Also – you can reread the article at top or contact the editor that wrote it – it also states that this area is a swim zone. So what is it that you dont understand?

          • Brian

            This is just going in circles how many times do I need to explain that your not the cops a judge or a DA. First someone has to actually be issued a ticket by a cop then a DA has to prosecute the case then the judge has to convict someone. Then you have an interpreted law. Your interpretation means absolutely nothing.

          • Maui_Mike

            That is the dumbest thing you have said (today). Lets say you speed, but don’t get caught, does that mean you did not break the law….of course not, the swim zone law was written over twenty years ago, what part is so hard to understand? You seem to have a hard time with comprehension, I have a degree of pity for you.

          • Brian

            Your replying the exact time as Michelle clearly your the same person. Lots of speeding tickets are issued and they are held up buy the court as valid laws. As far as I am aware no one has ever been issued a ticket for kiting in a swim zone C. If and when someone is ever issued a ticket a judge will review and decide if it is an applicable law. Until then no laws have been broken.

          • Maui_Mike

            You clearly do not understand the meaning of laws or rules, I recommend you slowly read the law that applies to the swim zones, find someone to explain what the words mean, you are obviously very slow witted.

          • Brian

            Who are you Mike? I will be at that beach today why not introduce yourself? Or do you really just prefer to insult me anonymously from afar?

          • jujubee

            He is ball-less. He has been threatening me for weeks and never shows up. He is one of those keyboard cowboys who talk tough but would p**s themselves if they had to actually say it to someones face.

          • Maui_Mike

            You are insulted by being shown to be wrong, I’m sure you are often wrong, I’m surprised it would be so offensive to you to be told so, that is pathetic, I have no interest in “meeting” you, why would I ever feel the need to do that, I don’t think I would be any more impressed with you in person Brian.

          • Brian

            Look man this is sad you just want to insult me from afar stop it already it makes you look bad

  • boom

    Konamax, just do what the rest of us do! Go diving with your 3prong facing up in the air, so when these dummies come towards you, they get a big supprise! One spear stuck in there board!!!!

    • Nobriga

      Yeah!!!! Dass how to do it! No tell me that they cannot see divers or any other folks in the water below, especially if got floaters. Poke’um, oops, sorry neva see you; I was looking down when I was diving…………

      • jujubee

        yea, das how we do it, brah. giv’m up. you faaka, you betta watch yo’ mout or you gonna get one false crack, brah. lol.

    • jujubee

      That would be awesome. You should do that. A spear stuck in a kiteboard. Id love to see that. lol. Good luck…

  • jujubee

    I love all the panties in a twist around here. Num! Num! Num! Num! Num! Please keep feeding me. Miso hungry! Especiall Maui_Mike. He built a PC in the 70s. Weeee… Num! Num! Num! Num! Burp…. You guys feeding me so much. lol. So clueless…. How many times Mike have you said you are done with me, but you cant resist. Can you. Num! Num! Num! Num!

    • Maui_Mike

      I did not say I built it in the 70′s…..you really have a hard time comprehending, your ignorance is astounding. I have tried to educate you to the truth in all the things you say wrong, but since everything you say is wrong it is apparent you are beyond hope.
      Please, do not procreate, why take the chance.

      • jujubee

        Holy cow. I couldnt be more obvious. You really are dumber than a rock.

        Num! Num! Num! Num! Num! <— raise any questions? lol

    • Maui_Mike

      Found out today that this situation is being looked at by the right people, I don’t mean to be cryptic, but enforcement of the swim areas will be taken care of, and so will the violators, with that being a fact I have certainly exhausted every possible word I could say to you, I think we have covered it all………there’s some time I’ll never get back, what a waste.
      Since this is Maui and out of respect for the host culture I urge you to figure out what being Aloha and Pono are.
      I got advice from a well respected Kumu about this situation today, that brought things into perspective and I will focus my energy to this cause in the right direction, and that certainly is not you, a nobody. Maui no ka oi

      • Matsui

        You just had to keep feeding the troll. He wanted to be fed over and over, and yet you kept feeding him. He even pointed out he was being a troll, and you just kept feeding him again and again. I think he was right, you aint too bright. Pretty much called you out on it. And you droned on and on. Funny. Thanks for the entertainment.

        • KalamaK

          Lol. So tru brah! We were all watching like, this cant be real. But, Maui_Mike try so hard. Kept goin and goin like energizer bunny. Such a lolo buggah.

          • Maui_Mike

            I’m laughing, at my expense, I can’t explain it, it took on a life of its own, should of stopped, was like no can…lol
            Mahalo, you lightened it up a great deal….yeah, lolo.

        • Maui_Mike

          You are correct, I digress….I could not help myself, I got this though, glad I made you laugh. Aloha

          • jujubee

            Poor baby

        • jujubee

          Maui_Mike is nutz. He gets so wrapped up in stuff that has nothing to do with himself. lol. It was pure entertainment.

          • Maui_Mike

            I have been equally entertained, your utter stupidity is highly amusing and has provided a laugh for many including me, so don’t pat yourself on the back too much, my agenda is entertainment to a degree as well.

  • yeah…

    I am a kiters. Kiters just say out of the fish pond when there are others playing in it… Easy to remember and simple to follow. Most other non-kiters do not understand the “safe” zones and “danger” zones relative to a kiters position so error on the side of caution and give people a lot of space… Come into the beach on the downwind side of the points jetty. Share the beach so we can all continue to have fun.

    • Maui_Mike

      If all the kiters had the common sense you seem to have then there would never have been an issue, but I would remind you that the law says stay out if the pond period, even when it’s empty…but I commend you for wanting to be pono.

  • David

    I don’t kite nor do I frequent the swimming area C or dive in the area. But after reading these comments, it’s quite apparent jujubee is a self absorbed prick without character or integrity

    • Maui_Mike

      well said, much Aloha brah., It feels good to have that fact validated.

      • jujubee

        Wow, you are so emotionally invested in this, arent you? You dont even kite, and yet it took a complete stranger to give you validation on this. Too funny. You may want to seek counselling if this is all it takes to ruin your day.

        • KalamaK

          yea, he cry over it. you can tell.

          • jujubee

            I know it. I almost feel bad. lol. He is probably lonely and maui now is all he has going on. owell. Not my problem.

          • Maui_Mike

            I actually have a life besides this…you make a valid point…so does he, I became to emotionally invested, I have really bought into the Hawaiian idea of respect, but I have a wife and grown kids and work from home, and then there’s the curse of carrying an iPhone….I usually do not comment here at this length, this issue hit a nerve for its ohana factor.

          • KalamaK

            Why do you feel the need to validate yourself to us, now? Get some help braddah, this aint the Hawaiian way.

          • Maui_Mike

            Just trying to show you the respect of answering your comment, but actually I do not require any validation to know what is right, that comes from within.
            Mahalo for your thoughts, after all that’s what this is for…can say.

        • Maui_Mike

          I can assure you my days are far from ruined, little things like this are in the background, I am at my best when I multi-task. The sun shines on, no worries.

  • Konamax

    The Maui News has an article in todays paper regarding this – they used candy-coated pictures though – I hope the readers from Maui News take a look at this article on Mauinow and decide for themselves. The kiters response on Maui News is still on course though – ” we (kiters) are a valuable member of the Maui community, and we deserve a spot to do what we love.”

    They deserve? They are valuable? – Sorry my son deserves to swim in the designated swim zone and I, as most judge anothers value by the ethics and integrity that they carry themselves with – not by the size of your bank account.

    • KawikaMalama

      Saw the article in the Maui News. Public sentiment is not in your favor. You have many options for swimming, while the kitersurfers have very few options. The pono thing to do is to go to more family friendly beaches rather than trying to constrain this spot.

      • Michelle

        Is this what you consider to not be family friendly?

        • Michelle

          Trying to post a photo, hopefully this one shows up

          • Michelle

            Mobile posting of photos didn’t work so well… home now, and here they are.

          • Michelle

            Don’t know what is happening now that photos won’t post, but if you would like to see how “family friendly” this beach really is please feel free to visit the Facebook page of Ka’a Point North Shore Maui Beach Users Community

          • jujubee

            Impressive FB page you got there. (snicker)

          • jujubee

            Fail.

        • KawikaMalama

          “more” does not equal “not”

      • Maui_Mike

        With all due respect, I don’t think that article says a single thing that reflects public sentiment, I have asked a couple dozen people what they thought, they were all overwhelmingly on the side of the swimmers/families, and I’m aware that the kiters have other options besides the pond, they are represented by disrespectful self serving liars who want to be seen as pillars of the community in spite of that fact, which has been shown repeatedly in this very forum, and at the beach too of course.

        • KawikaMalama

          With all due respect to you uncle. We were talkin story at work about the article, and everyone seem to side with the kiters. We know that area well. All born and raised here. All sport here have their special place and that is their place. No reason to cause trouble. Choke options island wide.

          • Maui_Mike

            I appreciate your opinion, and I too have talked story with many on this, most feel like its just a small pond, let the swimmers have it like the law calls for, but if it were me I would go elsewhere with my family, your civility is refreshing and appreciated.
            Aloha

          • Konamax

            Today at Ka’a Point several families (7 to be exact) approached us and thanked us for speaking up against the kiters. One time I counted 27 people swimming, Not everyone seems to side with the kiters.

          • jujubee

            One time I counted a 100 kiters. Does that mean we win? You seem to want to quantify things. Again, please let us know how we are keeping score.

          • Michelle

            But why should anyone who lives local have to drive so far to have a beach where their keiki can play safe?

      • Konamax

        Please show me where pulblic sentiment is not in our favor!! You may copy and paste if you like!

        The kiters have only a few options because of the dangers they create.
        NOTE; Did I mention that today at Ka’a several families (7 to be exact) approached us and thanked us for speaking up against the kiters. One time I counted 27 people swimming, not very familiy friendly huh?!

        • jujubee

          Earth shattering. 7 whole families approached you. Stunning. I wonder how many didnt approach you. Does that negate the 7 that did? How are we keeping score? Just want to be sure since its clearly a competition. :)

          • juju-dodo

            Myself and others heard of this, and we all agree that for what ever you are commenting on this site we don’t want you representing us the rest of the wind/ kite surfers. Please represent yourself only.we do respect other breach goers. You we feel you don’t have any respect for the safety for the children and others. We don’t need anyone like yourself to speak for the rest of us and to make the test of us looking bad to the test of the community we are not like that.

          • jujubee

            I never claimed to speak for anyone but myself. So, get over yourself. Im not some leader of the kite community and never claimed to be. Taking leaps much? lol. Idiot.

      • jujubee

        Dont brother trying to talk sense into these people. They are too busy trying to be right instead of doing whats right.

      • juju-dodo

        Here’s alittle schooling for you the beaches is for everyones use. You’re nothing.

        • jujubee

          Strong arguments you presented there. :)

    • jujubee

      You keep mentioning over and over about a bank account. You are pretty sensitive about bank accounts, arent ya. Where you abused by a bank as a child? Did you father close your bank account on you? Strange.

    • Brian

      Your son deserves better parents

      • Konamax

        Sounds like your parents could have done a better job also.

  • Unkokine

    Regardless of the law Kiters bring in more county revenue than swimmers. Thats the crux. They have a sense of entitlement because of it. Are they wrong? I am not so sure. Should swimmers be forced to move? No. I think Kiters whining about HAVING to land at the fishpond are full of BS. They are just being disrespectful plain and simple,

    • Maui_Mike

      I think most people, just like you are smart enough to see through the smokescreen the minority kiters put up, they speak of respect, but show none, they speak of sharing, but could care less about anyone but theirselves, it is very obvious.

      • Konamax

        Mike, you nailed it, Thank you for solidifying ours as well as other opinions – same as yours!

    • Konamax

      Thank you for nailing it. Regardless of the law? More revenue than swimmers? Is that whats this is all about, money?

    • Brian

      The ridiculous part is coming through the pond is the safest way to land on the beach

      • Konamax

        What about all the kiters that land at the beach to the west of Ka’a Point – they all seem to land safely. Oh yeah, and the beach to the east of Ka’a Point – they all seem to land safely. I thought Ka’a Point was used by the “pros” – landing at the beaches to the east and west should be a piece of cake for you guys. I know we have seen you dragged to the beach to the west, you had no problem getting back.

  • Konamax

    WOW!!!
    What an awesome day at Ka’a Point – Several families approached us and thanked us for speaking up where they couldnt. We came with a cooler full of food and left with even more BBQ! Thank you!

    • jujubee

      Kumbaya…. lol. Such saviors, you are… lol

  • Michelle

    This page is still in the works, but after our day at Ka’a Point today and the huge community support we received it became quite apparent that the local community of beach users have been long seeking an outlet in which to voice their concerns about this very issue….

    Please visit Facebook, the page name is: Ka’a Point North Shore Maui Beach Users Community

    • jujubee

      You guys are trying way too hard. lol. You should start a telethon.

      • juju-dodo

        Sounds to me, that you’re pissed off . Cause you’re posting anything you can. And is obvious. Give up all ready you’re making yourself look like a stupid fool.

        • jujubee

          Im perpetually happy. These bugs on my windscreen dont exist in my world. I actually find grand entertainment from them. They have yet to catch me. lol.

          • Maui_Mike

            But yet you drone on and on, trying to justify why a twenty year old law should be ignored, trying to look like a maverick of some kind, instead you are widely seen as an acerbic little nerd hanging from a kite, all you have for your effort is less credibility than you do morals, keep blathering on, it’s pathetic and very funny.

          • jujubee

            Oh boy… I got the same fish on the line again… Weeee… Mike hasnt learned yet. :D

          • Maui_Mike

            It is you who neva can learn, stay squirming on my fishhook, so Ono!

          • jujubee

            Lol. Thats funny. You cant stop feeding the troll. Num! Num! Num! Keep replying dumb dumb. Num! Num! Num! Your age is showing old man. You get so invested emotionally. You are about ready to pop off again. lol. Keep it up.

          • Maui_Mike

            Ironic that you hang from the kite strings, just like you do being my funny puppet, I pull your strings and you entertain us like a clown, dance puppet, dance!

          • jujubee

            And you are off… I knew you couldnt resist getting sucked back in. To tasty to resist. :) Its funny how you think you are turning it onto me, but you replied to my post. sorry… You da fish! :)

        • Maui_Mike

          His feathers are all ruffled, he wants to be right but no can, all he can say is he don’t care about the law, that says it all about him.

    • jujubee

      Maui Kiting Community page has 4,000 members. If you can even get half that many people to care about your little crusade I will stop kiting through the pond. I went through it twice today. lol. ;)

      • Michelle

        Not a single kite there today…… what a beautiful day it was with all the kids playing and families bbq’ing! You weren’t missed at all…..

        • jujubee

          I got in an after work session. Winds were a little off shore but still good.

          • Konamax

            Not at Ka’a Point you didnt.

          • jujubee

            I was there until sunset. There were only two other guys out with me. We launch from bone yards which is same area.

          • jujubee

            Im doubtful you sat in the rain at Ka’a point yesterday evening. Lol. nice try,

          • Konamax

            We actually left at 7:45pm…….it was hard to leave since there were so many families having a great time. We seen a couple of kiters out near the lifeguard station, not one came anywhere close to Ka’a Point.

          • jujubee

            Hope you brought an umbrella.

          • Brian

            Here is a clue the kite only show up when there is wind

      • Maui_Mike

        Your a real rogue bad boy, everyone is very impressed and intimidated….too funny! You are like a spoiled preschooler.
        Please don’t stop.

  • cut the string for the kite

    These kite surfers that shows disrespect for the children’s safety. You’re a wimp.

    • jujubee

      Nice sentence.

  • Jacinto

    Maui_Mike and Jujubee are an embarrassment. They both should just stop posting. Wtf.

    • Jacinto

      In one corner you got, Maui_Mike, who seems all hyped up on an issue that he has already admitted he never goes to this beach and is not even a kiter, and in the other corner we got, Jujubee, kite nazi. You two douches deserve your own forum. Please go away.

      • jujubee

        Yada yada yada… heil hitler… lol.

      • jujubee

        Yada yada yada….

      • Maui_Mike

        And in the middle there is you, being all judgmental of me for using a comment forum to make comments, unheard of! What was I thinking….how deeply you must have dug for such an original thought, good job and congratulations on forming a whole sentence.

        • Jacinto

          Wow. Just wow. I guess you just love to argue with random people. I can now see why this article has turned into a big turrd. Keep on ranting Mikey Boy. The two of you destroy any real discussion on this article. Dont you know how to ignore obvious trolls. And based on your response you are locked and loaded to try to egg me into your troll fest. Sorry, I will decline your juvenile behavior. Grow up.

          • Maui_Mike

            Your comment that included the sentence “You two douches” shows your maturity level, I can assure you, I am not interested in nor trying to get your thoughts on anything, you usually show up just to try to start a name calling contest, I could not be less interested.
            You say we must use that beach or kite to comment, which do you do? Uh huh, I thought so.
            Move on.

          • stand alone

            It seems Jacinto was right. Mike likes to rant.

          • Maui_Mike

            You already know that’s the truth, as true as you rarely making any sense at all…..very rarely. You also know I usually don’t play the immature name calling game, I most always stay above it, you have even said so in the past.

          • stand alone

            So then ignore jujubee. Why you letting him play you like that?

          • Maui_Mike

            You make provocative comments directed at me, then you say your above doing that, which is it?, you can’t have it both ways. As usual you show your ignorance, you should just avoid trying to look smart, it seems to backfire every time you do.
            Good day.

          • Maui_Mike

            you are an obvious troll, so I should just ignore you right?
            I am more interested in debate and meaningful dialogue, but that is easier said than done with the type of people I find here at times, but with that said, more often than not I have great intelligent discussions with people here, you always seem to be looking for a reason to be petty and attack in a childish way, I do not know why that is other than to think that is your thing.

    • Maui_Mike

      Spare yourself, don’t read them….simple solution.

    • Maui_Mike

      who are you to judge, all you do is attack anyone with a differing opinion, you are one of the dumbest and most pathetic posters on here hands down. a real low IQ troll.

  • vkngktr

    So lets see…. The MKA, expending much money and volunteer labor, in conjunction with some other local community groups, reclaim a derelict beach and want to be able to kite board there. Thanks to their efforts it’s a beautiful place again to be enjoyed by all EXCEPT those who made it such. No good deed goes unpunished.

    • jujubee

      Dont bother trying to make sense to these people. Its pointless. It was staggering the amount of garbage that was on ka’a point before the kiters cleaned it up.

      • jujubee a scrub

        Says the ultimate voice of reason

        • Maui_Mike

          more like the ultimate voice of no reason.

      • Maui_Mike

        trash picking up trash, that’s irony for sure!

    • Konamax

      The kiters are more then welcome to come andn “enjoy” the beach that they helped “reclaim”. They can swim in the designated swim zone, fish, dive, boogie board, explore, etc. They can even kite as long as they stay out of the pond! The really sad thing is that the MKC/MKA has known all along that Ka’a Point was a designated swim area – they just tried to put some spin on it.

    • Maui_Mike

      If all the kiters felt and behaved as you suggest then the problem never would have been a problem in the first place, I wish they would follow your sound advice, I would like to think that only a small number of them are irresponsible, but so many in this forum have made statements that show no regard for anyone else. I have volunteered many times on beach cleanup projects, and done the same on Kahoolawe, that does not make those places mine to do whatever I please at, the same logic would apply to them doing cleanup at Ka’a point, it is, and long has been a swim zone, it is not their private beach.
      Your rational dialogue is refreshing, and in short supply unfortunately.
      Aloha

  • Konamax

    This really shouldnt be an issue anymore – the State of Hawaii & DLNR has already confirmed that the area in question is a “designated swim only zone” and they will enforce the law.
    The only issue I see now is: Why did the MKC/MKA try to hide this? We asked them directly and were told that the rules were old and that kiting was allowed in the pond. But, if you look at Action Sports Maui website – they even have the area marked off as a designated swim zone. While the kiters may be upset that they now only have the 3/4 of a mile beach called NASKA’s and the 1/2 of mile beach from the Lifeguard station to Ka’a Point – sorry that over a mile of beach isnt enough for you guys –
    The local families have applauded us for our actions and speaking on behalf of them.

    • Alan

      We dont need you speaking on our behalf. We are not children and need your leadership. Dont take our silence and peaceful nature as weakness. Please take your mainland attitude some where else.

      • Konamax

        Thank you again – You really are being too kind.

  • Konamax

    I am the father of the 4 year old that was threatened by the kiter at Ka’a Point and I am also the author of the letter sent to the DLNR.

    I am sorry that I put my sons safety ahead of your hobby/fun, but the area in question is a designated swim zone – has been since at least 1988. The kiters came in and illegally took over this spot. The Maui Kitesurfing Community is up in arms over my discovery of the law when most if not all the senior members did indeed know about the law. Instead of being angry at me and the DLNR – shouldnt the Maui Kitesurfing Community be upset with their club/organization for not disclosing this to its members? I know if I joined and payed dues to a club that withheld information and knowingly broke/sidestepped the law…….I would be asking for a refund or new directors be placed.

    • KCardwell

      You must be really lonely to post in a thread that hasnt had any posts in a while from the opposition. Perhaps I misjudged this situation.

      • Konamax

        If you look to other forums/commentary related to kiting on the net you will see different.

        • KCardwell

          Why not post in those other forums instead of keeping this dirge alive. Your post above has not added any new information. When there is something new to say, please post again.

          • Konamax

            Sorry it doesnt fit your agenda, you can stop reading at anytime though…..
            Maybe you should check out the letter to the editor written to the maui news on 5/25 by another beach user being harassed by the kiters.

          • KCardwell

            Agenda? Im sorry, you lost me now. Im not a kiter but if you want to attack me now, then go for it. It does not help your case. Posting the same details over and over is not going to help your case to the community at large. You havent added anything new to this discussion in quite some time. I had posted on here in support of your family, but I am starting to see that may have been undeserving. You just seem to want to fight at all costs. This could explain the attitude you received from the kiting community. You seem rather combative, which is not the Hawaiian way. You may want to take a breather.

          • Konamax

            I am sorry you feel attacked, not my intention. I merely responded to your polite posting of :
            “You must be really lonely to post in a thread that hasnt had any posts in a while from the opposition. Perhaps I misjudged this situation.”
            I never really “deserved” any support – I merely stated facts that drew in the support from rational readers.

      • Nok Su Kao

        This dooosh is basically talking to himself under different user names.

  • usbworks

    The DLNR ordinance on swimming at Kanaha swim areas A,B,C specifically allows windsurf instruction and windsurfing by beginners after 9 am between areas A and B. I’m certain that swim area B is off limits because it is roped in by buoys. I would think that swim area A should also be off limits but that hasn’t stopped windsurf companies from using this spot, “Kook’s Beach at Uppers”, as Jujubee has pointed out. Perhaps this issue has been avoided because windsurfers may have applied better social skills than the kiters, as Jujubee demonstrates.

    • Konamax

      We have had an experience at both:
      At “Kooks” or swim zone A – A windsurf approached us and seen that we were fishing and turned around and moved back down the beach. Thank you Mr. Windsurfer.
      At Ka’a Point or Swim Zone C – A kitesurfer approached us while fishing and asked me if he could launch between my lines and the rocks of the point – of course I said yes, but be careful. His response was: I know what I’m doing. He then launched and caught both my lines!!! Pulled all the line off one rod even.
      Although their sports are similar, there is a big difference in common sense & character between the two user groups.

      • Alan

        So, lets get this straight, you were fishing in a swim zone? Very interesting. Thanks for that info. *doh*

        • Konamax

          I didnt think I presented it “crooked” – Yes, we were fishing and its actually not very interesting unless you’re “catching”.

          • Alan

            You shouldn’t be fishing in swim zones. All we need are keiki getting hooks stuck in their feet when playing in the area after your gone. Try being more considerate next time. There are plenty places to fish. Fish some where else. Not in swim zones.

          • jujubee

            Wow, what irony. lol

          • Alan

            I dont find it ironic at all. I have had to pull fish hooks out of my sons feet while playing in the swim zones before. I had called DLNR about it and they told me to let them know if I saw anyone fishing in the swim zones and they would take care of it. I am a fisherman and would never be so careless.

          • jujubee

            No, I was referencing the idiot “kona to da max”. He claims to be the protector of all kids at the swim zones at Kanaha and then proceeds to put them at risk himself. Pretty fricken ironic if you ask me.

          • Michelle

            The fact is that fishing is not a prohibited activity in
            this area, but it all comes down to common sense, common courtesy, and respect.
            If the pond is full of kids swimming and families bbq’ing – don’t fish there.
            On quiet days, if you do fish there, be aware of your lines and hooks and
            ensure none are left behind.

            The same rules of common sense, common courtesy, and respect
            could have been applied very effectively by the kitesurfers who continue to
            exercise the behavior they know to be prohibited (witnessed 5 different
            individuals land through the pond today, all were regulars and not tourists
            unaware of the law), but they instead choose to continue to “thumb their
            noses” in the face of the law rather than obeying it and allowing the
            situation to calm down a bit and possibly resolve itself.

          • Konamax

            If fishing iis prohibited in the swim sone, please post the guideline. We have never had or seen any issues between fisherman/beach-users.
            I would suggest you call the DLNR or 911 if you have/are endangered. We have and have received a courteous, kind & timely response. I am sorry if the safety of my child comes ahead of your hobby/sport and the kiters again trying to deviate from the topic is relative to the average reader.

          • Alan

            I believe you think your/our sport of fishing comes ahead of the safety of keiki based on your response here. I just told you my child has twice been hooked in swim zone and you cant be bothered to care. Its like common sense doesnt matter. You are as bad as kiters you are fighting against.

            NO FISHING IN SWIM ZONES.

            I am not sure how much clearer I can make it to you. If you want to make an issue of this I can bring this to the highest level if you wan to go there. I am asking you nicely. I have been down this road before with malahini like you. I have family in all sides of enforcement and in government on this island. Please dont cross me.

            NO FISHING IN SWIM ZONES. Period.

            Just in case you have rock in your brain Mr “Kona”. I hope I am being perfectly clear with you. Just as Kalama posted above, its Kapu. Its for the keiki safety.

            I also dont approve of the kiteboarders going into the swim zone either, but if you are taking stand against them you need to be standing on higher ground otherwise you are a hypocrit which is actually worse. Aloha.

          • Konamax

            Thank you – I will remember that……
            Now what was the topic posted at the top of this page?

          • Alan

            The topic is keiki safety, remember that next time you cast your line

          • Verns a scrub

            That’s pretty much a snide response for merely getting called out for being wrong. You don’t own the swim pond. Stop acting like it.

            Kiters shouldn’t kite there. Check
            Fishing shouldn’t be done there. Check.

            Move on.

          • Konamax

            Not meant to be snide at all. If we are wrong, unlike the kiters, we will abide by the laws. Nothing snide meant at anyone.

          • Nok Su Kao

            Yeah, you’re never snide. Fkn dooosh
            Go $uck yer wife’s cöçk

  • I’m a kiter

    unfortunately a few bad kiters ruined this for everyone. Yes, that is a swim zone and yes we knew that sooner or later it would be shut down to kiting if people were not respectful. That is what happens when young punk kiters are disrespectful to beach goers and kids. Had these few kiters followed the common and obvious rule of not flying kites near or over the heads of people there would not be this problem. The maui board sailing assoiciation maintains the buoys at the upper swim zone. Kiters will not put buoys on the Ka’a point swim zone. The local beach users will need to maintain buoys themselves. I am a kiter and a beach goer and it is sad to see these young arrogant kiters so rude and think they own the beach/ocean.. it is a bummer….. I agree with Kona Max that he is only enforcing a state rule. It would have been much simplier if the county/state/DLNR had done their job in the first place…

    • Maui_Mike

      Always refreshing to hear the voice of reason, this thread has had very little of it from kiters, I of course knew there were good ones like you, ….nice to hear though.

    • Brian

      It has nothing to do with respect these people are crazy

      • Kalamak

        They really are the antithesis of Hawaii. Over the years I have seen mainlanders come and go who act like this. They never last long. They are a bull in a china shop an it permeates their lives. The fact that they think its ok to fish in swim zones speaks volume. Thats been kapu for ever. Not very smart.


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